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    11-08-2011, 10:23 AM
  #11
Foal
Yes I have a standing martingale. I do lunge her but not in side reins. I double lunge her with a harness. This way I have control on the bit and her head instead of side reins but I don't like to rely on them. And its not rider error bc she does it with everyone. And also its not pain bc I have had her checked out many many times.
     
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    11-08-2011, 10:26 AM
  #12
Green Broke
A martingale is used to prevent a horse putting its head to high, so at some point there is going to be resistance, the rings of the martingale against the reins, which she will feel in her bit.

From own experience horses evade contact and throw their heads up if they are in pain, or are being plain good ol' naughty. Best and quickest rememdy is for them to learn that there won't be any resistance, so head tossing has no point...

I was meant to write if its normal, or too short it'll give her something to fight against, sorry! Thinking about the reply in my head and not writing it down.. what a muppet!

Just my own opinion!
     
    11-08-2011, 10:26 AM
  #13
Yearling
To me it sounds like she would much rather "hang out" then work, and is trying to avoid any type of contact to her mouth. A stronger bit is not really a good idea especially since she it trying to avoid the one she's using now.
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    11-08-2011, 10:29 AM
  #14
Yearling
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Originally Posted by DuffyDuck    
A martingale is used to prevent a horse putting its head to high, so at some point there is going to be resistance, the rings of the martingale against the reins, which she will feel in her bit.

From own experience horses evade contact and throw their heads up if they are in pain, or are being plain good ol' naughty. Best and quickest rememdy is for them to learn that there won't be any resistance, so head tossing has no point...

I was meant to write if its normal, or too short it'll give her something to fight against, sorry! Thinking about the reply in my head and not writing it down.. what a muppet!

Just my own opinion!
I meant a standing martingale...not a running martingale. It attaches to the nose band not the reins. I agree with you if you used a running martingale
     
    11-08-2011, 10:31 AM
  #15
Foal
If you really want to fix the problem you might need to go back to the basics. Since she's had time off she might have just developed an attitude.
Stronger bits and gadgets aren't going to fix the problem they may piss her off more. Or just cover up a problem without actually fixing it.
If its truly not a pain issue then you might have to gain her respect back from the ground up.
     
    11-08-2011, 10:34 AM
  #16
Trained
I would not use a standing martingale. Such resistance would likely cause the horse to panic or resist harder and possibly rear and flip.

Use of any gadgets will likely only fix the problem while said gadget is on. The horse needs to be ridden in such a way that the issue is corrected by training and riding. A running martingale may help the rider to gain control in the situation but will not itself fix the issue, if infact it is a training issue and not a pain one.
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    11-08-2011, 10:39 AM
  #17
Green Broke
Anebel- trying to like your comment, but this computer will not let me!

I agree gadgets aren't a long term solution, but if the mare has learnt up and go, she may need some assitance in learning that long, low, and round is the way to go.. not give the rider a black eye. By lunging in side reins, or gummi reins, the horse can realise, learn or relearn how to go in a more correct fashion without harm coming to the rider, its then the rider's responsobility to further the training and keep the horse moving like this.
     
    11-08-2011, 10:50 AM
  #18
Yearling
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Originally Posted by DuffyDuck    
anebel- trying to like your comment, but this computer will not let me!

I agree gadgets aren't a long term solution, but if the mare has learnt up and go, she may need some assitance in learning that long, low, and round is the way to go.. not give the rider a black eye. By lunging in side reins, or gummi reins, the horse can realise, learn or relearn how to go in a more correct fashion without harm coming to the rider, its then the rider's responsobility to further the training and keep the horse moving like this.

I also agree with you. Gadgets are just a tool. I use a standing martingale because when the horse throws their head up you lose all contact with the horses mouth then the horse is out of control. Once they pick up that habit of avoiding the bit it's very difficult to get them to listen to you with again. The martingale will help you be able to get the horse used to bit contact and it's easier for the rider to teach the horse without having to worry about losing control.
     
    11-08-2011, 11:02 AM
  #19
Green Broke
I still agree with my earlier comment, and anabels clarification... when ridden, a head thrower that encounters any resistance will throw up harder, and go up harder, then maybe fall on you.. you want to be able to throw away your reins, otherwise the horse is learning every time it tosses there is resistance from a martingale, hands, reins, anything.
     
    11-08-2011, 11:06 AM
  #20
Yearling
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Originally Posted by DuffyDuck    
I still agree with my earlier comment, and anabels clarification... when ridden, a head thrower that encounters any resistance will throw up harder, and go up harder, then maybe fall on you.. you want to be able to throw away your reins, otherwise the horse is learning every time it tosses there is resistance from a martingale, hands, reins, anything.

Oh, I never had a horse throw their head up more or harder when using a martingale. Ever. Not using one, yes..I've had horse throw their head up and take off with me..and whenever I pulled back to slow them down...I had no control of the horses head what so ever.

If you keep the horse moving forward, they can't rear up. It's very difficult to get the horse to listen to your hands, legs or seat when it's head is in the clouds.
     

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