Are people just not being taught well these days? - The Horse Forum
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post #1 of 10 Old 07-26-2009, 08:52 PM Thread Starter
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Are people just not being taught well these days?

When i was first learning to ride oh so many years ago, my trainer would not let me progress to the next level until I was totally solid with what I was currently working on. Like I didn't learn to canter until I could walk/trot around the ring on my own, post on the correct diagonal, and trot without stirrups. And I wasn't allowed to jump until I could canter comfortably in a 2 point and without stirrups. And I personally feel this is the way to teach, its the same way I teach my students. I want them to be safe and secure at something before they move onto the next level.

Well I was at a show today helping out 2 girls from my barn that were showing. And it was the first show I've been to in awhile. And I have to say I was appalled by how some of those people were riding. There were insane horses being ridden over things they obviously weren't ready for, they were leaping like Lipizzaners over the fences, and a few of those horses were totally out of control, extremely dangerous. And some of the riders were riding elbows locked, hands in their crotch, yanking their horses faces over the fences, cutting people off in the flat classes. 3 or 4 people fell. Not to mention the instructors, standing in the ring during schooling and just yelling at their students, not being helpful at all just obviously making them more nervous!

I'm sorry for the rant, but it really bothers me when people aren't taught to ride properly and end up riding dangerously!
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post #2 of 10 Old 07-27-2009, 01:25 AM
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I hear also goes for people trying to teach other people how to ride and handle horses, who really don't understand many concepts themselves...It's wreckless, and dangerous...and from what I've noticed, ruins alot of good horses at the same time.

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That's what I think!!! My ttainer is very strict about being safe but saying in the right position. She makes me do an hour each day without stirrips andonly 10 mind with stirrups. It's he'll but it gives me a good position for jumping
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post #4 of 10 Old 07-27-2009, 02:51 AM
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We see it in western too, just not to that extent. I see people who are not even ready to canter muddling their way through reining patterns and people bouncing out of the saddle on WP horses.........WP HORSES!!! Now granted, they travel differently and sometimes it takes getting used to, but 99% of the time, a small child could sit a WP jog and I see adults bouncing around like rag dolls with their arms and legs everywhere. And don't even get me started on cutting and ranch work. LOL.

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post #5 of 10 Old 07-27-2009, 02:58 AM
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I think it's always happened. It's one thing to see poor riders n 2ft amd under classes, but I just flinch when I see them in 3ft classes. I feel so bad for their horses!
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post #6 of 10 Old 07-27-2009, 07:27 AM
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I understand completely. I run a small barn, and I refuse to sacrifice the well being of my school horses for some little kid to feel all powerful and not get their feelings hurt by telling them they are not ready for things. I have lost business this way, but also gained people who are actually concerned about the horse that they are on.

From my observations, they just shuttle them through. Anything that goes wrong is considered the horses fault. They have a classic crappy position that is almost synonomous with poor schooling barns, but they are told that they are the best riders in the world and are able to do anything because it keeps them coming back. Good horsemanship has gone out the window. I usually get people once they run into problems. At this point, I have heard more than once "I've been riding for years and never once thought about the horse".

I actually read an article on what it takes to make money in the horse industry. The article said that if you are a horse trainer, then your actual job isn't to train horses, but to give the client what they want. No wonder I'm so broke...... I can not bring myself to sacrifice my horses or horses I'm training just so someone can feed their ego without the proper training on the humans part. Unfortunately, many people are willing to do that if it means they make money. So, thats where the masses flock.

We all know that to be taught well takes time, dedication, effort, concentration, and a fair amount of sweat, blood, and tears. What people look for in horses now and what much of the horse industry has become is nothing more than a carnival ride, where you insert your money and get to run around.
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post #7 of 10 Old 07-27-2009, 08:20 PM
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I guess that's a good part of the reason why I feel like I never learned squat about riding at lesson barns. You do just sit atop a horse for 45 minutes and that's about it. Now that I have my own horse, I've learned more about riding in those 2 years than I did in all my former years of lessons. It's interesting how much your horse can teach you without having a trainer in sight.
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I was at a local speed show last weekend and what i saw made me cringe there were girls with to long of stirrups running barrels they had no control at all had horrid seats and were just dangerous. i would not even let my daughter on her horse till she could work him on the ground correctly. My biggest pet peeve is that the kids and adults i see at these shows have no concern at all for their horses they run them then tie them up and leave them there at the trailer.

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I could not agree more. The problem is, there are too many "trainers" out there that are happy to just take your money and tell you you look great. Which in turn creates more bad/mediocre riders and the cycle never ends. I saw some horrible riders at the last show I went to, also. It makes me even more thankful that I found such an awesome, strict, and accept-nothing-less-than-100% trainer.

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Cliton Anderson also said that we are in the age of 'microwaveable horses' were if you buy a horse, and it has a problem, you sell it and get another one instead of working with the horse to solve the problem. Or people just throw their horses at the trainers and tell them to just fix the horse for them, which never really works and wears off in about a week . . .

I've also noticed that a lot of trainers are disrespectful and cheat in the show ring. The first show I went to, my friend wanted to enter a walk only class (idk why) and the person said no because she could canter. Another girl's trainer got her into the walk only class when she was far more advanced than my friend. She also entered a walk,trot, canter class and a couple jumping class. There were like, 5 year olds and people just learning to ride in the walk only class and of course she won. Her trainer also pointed to another student of my trainer (just learning, can barely trot) laughed and said, "Good luck with that one . . ." Plus the judge hated paints and every single paint that went in there no matter how good didn't place. We never went back.
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