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    03-30-2012, 12:23 PM
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Foal
Is this a personality thing, or will it go away as he becomes more broke?

Ok so, my horse (Who is green...I consider him green because he needs some work on his lope and a few other things, but he is where I want him at w/t) can not get more than 4 or 5 days off of 'work', and here's why. He'll act like he practically forgot what we had been working on! We'll have a nice collected and slow trot, a good headset...Then if it rains, or I'm gone for more than 4-5 days, when I ride him, his headset is off, and his trot is faster than it should be. (And sometimes, although pretty uncommon, he'll start walking off when I have him stopped, and he won't want to sit still very long) After I put 2-4 rides on him and correct these behaviors, he's right back where we left off. Is this a personality thing, or will it go away as he becomes more broke?

Also, his feed is not making him hot, and the only thing that holds me back from riding is the weather and if I'm not home all day.
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    03-30-2012, 12:28 PM
  #2
Weanling
That is hard to say. But he should pull out of it when he gets older.

But here is a example. I read a book by bill freeman and he said if he gave smart little lena a day off he would buck and that stayed the whole time.
     
    03-30-2012, 12:42 PM
  #3
Weanling
I owned a horse like this and she was the same way. We would be working wonderfully, then if I left her for a week it would be like starting at square one. She was like this for the entire 4 years I owned her (so at least until she was 11)
     
    03-30-2012, 01:11 PM
  #4
Started
Some are like that and some get better with miles. Time will tell
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    03-30-2012, 01:34 PM
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Weanling
Um - most likely, it is just him. He might grow out of it - but I would guess it will be years down the road... maybe a decade or more.

Some horses are just like that.
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    03-30-2012, 02:22 PM
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Foal
Thank you everyone. I guess I'll just have to wait and see as he gets older and more broke.
     
    03-30-2012, 03:32 PM
  #7
Yearling
I have a similar type of horse. I've found that even if I can't ride her because of time, daily handling helps. Backing her instead of leading, and other patterns in the barn alley really help. She has softened a lot in the last 2 months. And I change what I'm asking her to do when she balks or acts stupid, to something that requires more turning or energy. Then she comes back to the original exercise "smarter". Old school folks told me she has to work at least 3 times a week, but I redefined "work" to include 10 minutes of handling
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    03-30-2012, 04:23 PM
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Showing
Agreed, sometimes they do grow out of it, others don't. I rode a filly that was that way, only worse. So long as I rode her down nearly every day, she would stay rideable...mostly. If I let her sit for more than 2, she became a snorty, spooky, broncy mess and she never did get over it so.....you just never know.

All you can do is give them a real job that makes sure their saddle pad gets wet every ride and hope for the best.
     
    03-30-2012, 04:50 PM
  #9
Foal
Just a little update...I just got back in from riding him (3rd time in a row/this week) and he's pretty darn close to where we left off! With the days getting longer, it'll be easier to fit in riding if I have a busy schedule. (Even though that's pretty rare that I am busy all day, lol)
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    03-30-2012, 07:11 PM
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You are dealing with one of the main reasons that:
1) We raise our own prospects;
2) Or we look at their papers before we even look at the horse;
3) We NEVER put our training time into rescues or horses of unknown breeding.

This is the main reason that we won't touch a horse with Impressive breeding and several other bloodlines. They seldom ride any better than they are bred to ride.

This is NOT why Smart Little Lena bucked. He was 'cold backed' and I am convinced that he was trained to be that way. They used to saddle him and 5 others and put them on a 6 horse walker and let them trot for 30 - 60 minutes bucking, kicking and farting the whole time. He practiced bucking every morning before he was ridden. He learned a horrible habit and thought he had to buck every time he was saddled. This is the same bad habit that a lot of people teach a horse on a longe line when they let them buck and play with a saddle. He 'trained' very well. He won the NCHA Futurity, Derby and Super Stakes while missing several weeks of training when he had Blister Beetle poisoning. He trained extremely well -- after the first ten minutes you were on him. I have ridden many SLL sons, daughters and grand get and I love them. They train super, but will get cold backed if you do not train them right. The Little Peppy (Peppy San Badger) horses are even more inclined to buck if you screw up but also train great.

We used to say that the horses that did not pick right up where the last training session ended "Woke up in a new World every morning!" We hated them so bad that we eventually got to the point where we no longer took 'outside' horses for training and only rode and trained horses we owned. Then, we went a step further and only trained the horses we bred and owned. We did not breed a mare that we did not ride. We did not ride a horse that did not have a sire, dam and other relatives that we KNEW had a very high degree of trainability.

You can literally waste years trying to 'make chicken salad out of chicken other stuff.' Or, you can ride one that trains well up to a point and never lets you put the pressure on them to make a horse truly 'finished' or 'competitive'. [That is what we had against so many of the 'Impressive' bred horses.] I never want another one of them on my place.
     

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