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        10-19-2009, 10:28 PM
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    You can ALWAYS change a horse's perception of being ridden. My point is to find out WHY she's arguing with you. That's the key. I feel there is a problem somewhere since you feel the need to carry a crop with you. If everything was fine, truly fine, there would be no use for the crop. So one thing you could try is when she starts to argue, just allow her to go away from the threshold a few steps then ask her to stop, and rub her. I'm sure I'll get chewed out for this, but this CAN work (I've done it with my warmblood in the past). You are not rewarding her arguing, you are doing the opposite of what she is expecting. She's expecting you to fight her and try to force her, so when you do the opposite of what she expects, that brace in her mind has the tendency to go away. Then you just ask her forward again nice and softly.
         
        10-20-2009, 06:16 PM
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    The first time Milo pinned his ears at me I freaked too, but I tend to freak in extremes and it took me a few weeks to feel comfortable around him after that, this was a couple of months ago. Since then I've learned that he's very communicative with those ears of his, sometimes he'll do it just to see if I'll react. My reaction now is a stern "knock it off" with deep tone and if I'm on the ground when he does it I accompany that with severe eye contact and a few steps towards him. He adjusts his attitude after that... he's testing me and at his age that's not surprising. When ever I do something that he doesn't like he'll pin his ears. He learned that first time that he got the reaction he wanted... I backed off in fear, so now he uses that to "express" himself when I ask him to work and he doesn't want to. It's a temper tantrum... and unless there is an issue with pain that needs to be addressed I don't tolerate temper tantrums, as soon as I see the ears pin I make the same request again until he gets it right.... he can express himself if he wants to, but in the end I win the argument.



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    Originally Posted by Wallaby    
    So today Lacey did something she's never ever done before. She pinned her ears at me. >.<
    We were riding alone on the road, not very far from home becuase she's not ready yet, and I kept making her walk forward even though she wanted to turn around and go home. I'd have her turn around once she stopped fighting with me about going forward (I had the crop so she didn't dare try stopping and backing up) and walk a few steps towards home then turn back around and keep going. She kept pinning her ears when I had her turn back around and keep going away from home. She also threw her head around a bit but that was mostly frustration (I was riding her in her bitless bridle so no bit issues).

    She didn't follow through with anything worse than ear pinning and she kept walking forwards with encouragement, no rearing or bucking or any of her usual tricks but the ear pinning concerned me.

    Should I be worried that she doesn't respect me? She never pins her ears at anything...And she was perfectly happy to see me this morning, walked right up to me in the pasture. She was also good when I free lunged her.. She even went from a trot to a halt, totally free, when I told her. She's very responsive and generally behaves herself quite well...

    Help?

    It just freaked me out because she never pins her ears at anything...
         
        10-20-2009, 07:51 PM
      #13
    Green Broke
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    Originally Posted by Spirithorse    
    You can ALWAYS change a horse's perception of being ridden. My point is to find out WHY she's arguing with you. That's the key. I feel there is a problem somewhere since you feel the need to carry a crop with you. If everything was fine, truly fine, there would be no use for the crop. So one thing you could try is when she starts to argue, just allow her to go away from the threshold a few steps then ask her to stop, and rub her. I'm sure I'll get chewed out for this, but this CAN work (I've done it with my warmblood in the past). You are not rewarding her arguing, you are doing the opposite of what she is expecting. She's expecting you to fight her and try to force her, so when you do the opposite of what she expects, that brace in her mind has the tendency to go away. Then you just ask her forward again nice and softly.
    I carry the crop on the road because if I don't she'll decide she wants to quit (or something, it's not a fear response, she freezes or jumps to the side when she's scared) and she'll start backing up (and she won't stop, as soon as she starts backing up I put my hands forward on her neck and lean forward a little just so I know that I'm not accidentally cueing her to continue) and progress to rearing and bucking (but mostly rearing) if I try to circle her or do anything to redirect her away from backing up. I've tried just letting her stand as soon as she decides to stop backing up but as soon as I ask her to move forward she starts going backwards again. The only thing that I've found will stop her is the crop. I whacked her with it once or twice to help her realize that backing up isn't fun and now all I have to do is wave it every so often when she gets balky. I'm sure surprising them with kindness can work for some horses but I've tried it with her and it totally doesn't.
    I have this feeling that she has a secret "button" that once I find it and press it she'll just settle right down but I haven't found it yet.


    Thanks Miloismyboy. =) No worries, I kept her going and didn't back down becuase she was angry. She's one of those ones that if I ever backed down I'm pretty sure she would return to her former monster-like self. Haha She used to be super flighty and disrespectful and as soon as one got on her back people most likely started selling tickets to the rodeo that was about to happen, now she's much better. Haha


    On a good note, this morning I rode her bareback in her halter and she was SO good. She was kinda irritated that I didn't let her eat the hay that was on the ground (she got all prancy and indignant) but she dealt with it. Good poneh!
         

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