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        04-24-2011, 08:38 AM
    A large part of the problem of parting with a horse, expecially for many women, is that if it goes to auction the kill buyer will get it. That isn't necessarily so. At these auctions horses are bid upon by the pound, not it's temperment. The kill buyers need to make a profit so will bid only so much per pound, depending on the market and it's been as low as 15c lb. There are often side deals that take place at auctions and the horse doesn't even go into the sale. Auctions are attended by everyone, people looking for horses to ride, horses or ponies for their kids. An auction means going to one place and seeing many horses rather than spending weeks driving from place to place looking at one horse. For sellers, this means a lot of potential buyers at one place.
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        04-26-2011, 07:04 AM
    Nice post.

    At the barn I just moved from, I have spent the last seven or eight months watching the unfolding drama of a family who had bought their first pony for their son. Unfortunately, the pony is three years old, greenbroke and sparky, and they're clueless. It was quite sad, as they are a sweet family, but in over their heads with a pushy three year old who needs experienced handling. Among other things, the mare got into the regular habit of bucking the kid off in the canter and he had become nervous about riding and being around her. I lunged him on my trained-to-the-nines schoolmaster to try to get his confidence back, which sort of worked, but while he was handling my horse, grooming and tacking her up, you could see in his whole body language and the way he was around horses where all the problems with the youngster came from. Anyway, after his ride on my mare, he decided he liked horses again and started taking more lessons from the barn owner on his pony, who dutifully stuck with her habit of bucking him off at the canter.

    I'm not "the trainer," or "a trainer," although I have trained horses and riders, but in this instance I was just another lowly livery who could only stand back, watching the trainwreck and offering the odd (and usually ignored) suggestions. After much consideration, I decided not to step in more than that, as the owner of the stable had become their trainer and it's her stable. In any case, they weren't making much progress in improving their relations with the mare and the son completely lost interest and didn't want anything to do with horses. So the wee mare is up for sale.

    It's sad and frustrating to watch these things. They were so enthusiastic about horses and had bought the young mare on the grounds that horse and kid could "grow up together." Then found out the hard way that this doesn't really work.
        04-27-2011, 07:40 AM
    Green Broke
    Well said JDI

    Just have to add that young horse and young rider only ever works if mother/father is incredibly experianced and the pony is a enuine little pony.

    We got in over our heads when we bought a horse from beeston that turned out to be drugged to its eyeballs and totaly dangerous when not sedated. Mum is very very experianced having worked with, ridden and schooled some very very well known horses. However even she sent this horse to a proffessional (we tried for a while to sort it but admitted defeat), proffessional had it all of one week and then turned round and advised us the horse was going to kill someone. We had the horse shot that afternoon. Kinder for the horse in the long run and better for our conciences.
        04-28-2011, 01:05 AM
    Green Broke
    Excellent post Allie.

    From personal experience I know that the young horse/young rider can in fact work, once the rider admits they are in over their head and have a coach that is willing to help them re-train themselves and their horse. I am sure many of you have read my older posts about my horse "Chinga" and how I had many struggles with him and I, yet I would not admit to being in over my head. Problem horses need lots of TLC but they also need to be shown who their leader is and need to be shown that respect is a must.

    It takes a lot to admit you need help and too those who do - I commend you.
        04-29-2011, 07:53 PM
    I really enjoyed this post! I'm at this spot right now and this made me think twice. The good thing is, I'm in no hurry to buy the horse right away; I have plenty of time to work with him. I also have a trainer at my barn, and have a copious amount of lessons paid for.

    So with the time and resources available, what would you say? Keep on, or walk away? A outline of the problems we've been having I posted here : Good horse, bad owners. Re-training an 11 yr. old?

    I would really appreciate any ideas or suggestions :) Thank you and I'll keep this post up anytime I think to buy him on do something ridiculously out of my league.
        05-02-2011, 08:48 PM
    Oh, Allie, I wish there was some way to beam this into every potential horse owners head before they go out to look.
        05-08-2011, 12:00 PM
    Originally Posted by MHFoundation Quarters    
    My family has always had a rule of thumb for us growing up as kids, "Until you are 12, you aren't allowed to own a horse younger than you are"
    I like this. I think I'm going to apply this when (and if) I ever have kids.
        05-09-2011, 03:37 AM
    I am 15years old, and just a year ago I found an off the track thoroughbred who did everything wrong. His canter was unbalanced, he cat leaped over every jump and had never come across flexing, bending, and going on the bit. Yes, he does buck, and had once bolted and reared.

    Truth is after a year he HAS improved; and I admit he was alot of horse, and sometimes he was alittle hard to handle; but my ego had gotten in the way, and I wouldnt quit, I wouldnt let him get the better of me.

    Since im only 15, I don't have enough money to get a trainer, or an instructor. I only have enough money to pay for agistment and mum pays for the rest, like feed and vet bills and my equipment. I had no idea what I was getting into, all I wanted was to ride, compete and most of all win! Ha

    'Joe' has improved, since I have had him, he has learned to frame, and ride on the bit, has competed in 4jumping competitons placing 2nd and 4th in two this year. He doesnt bolt anymore, and only reared when a lady at my the riding training squad(BEATS) put a standing martingale on him. He is a fat big thoroughbred now and has learned some manners, and now I feel like my riding has improved.

    So sometimes if you have enough confidence you can keep the horse that is to much horse, all horses deserve a second chance. (:
        05-16-2011, 07:15 PM
    Hi All,
    Last year I gave up on the big, crazy beautiful 6 year old paint gelding I had. I was very successful in the ring, and the judges loved him, so I kept him longer than I should have. I am a good rider, so his fits and bucks and jumps were a source of irritation more than a danger. Eventually though, his random spooks and fits were making me really question whether I wanted to ride anymore, it was no longer fun. Trying to fix the holes were all consuming as I questioned why he continued his behavior and what I was doing wrong. Trainers gave advice that he promptly proved not effective.!He would go a month with perfect behavior and then WHAM! - up in the air he'd go for no apparent reason. Checked and double checked teeth, back, legs, saddle - nothing wrong. After one particularly violent buck that sent my accomplished 18 year old daughter, Kellie, into the dirt with enough force that she had road rash on her side, hip, and arm - I had it. Sold him honestly on craigslist and showed videos of his fits to serious buyers. His good looks and show record got him sold the next week.

    I took the money, bought a well-bred unstarted three year old black and white APHA gelding by A Tru Rolex, Scooby, and have never looked back. Preventing the holes in training is so much easier than trying to get rid of them... I enjoy riding again, enjoy going to the barn and puttering around - Kellie has taken Scooby over and will finish out her last year of 4H on him. I enjoy having a happy gelding who enjoys his lessons and watching him grow has been such a fun experience I just bought another very well bred three year old - this one a filly by The Big Gun - she's been riding for a week now and we are just beginning a new adventure.
        05-24-2011, 06:26 PM
    I have never owned a horse and when I seen the Arab I knew he was way, way over my head but... "I let my heart control my actions" or so to speak. So I bought him and brought him home and he was a horid bucking rearing kicking bolting biting thing of a horse and I came away from him crying many nights... When he finally bucked me off it was my last straw. Though everyone in my family was starting to lose hope in my nothingness of knowledge I refused to sell him... My ego got in my way and I was not going to give up and be a quiter so... I didnt give up and now, my rescued Arab is the best horse in the world. (: I didnt have enough money for a trainer or anything so Google was my best fried during those long days (: Lol she has all the answers about horses ;D I am glad I didnt let him go... I don't know what I would have done without him. But a horse who was any more worse than he was would have been over my head and I would of had to give up... My Arab was WILD. Not "Not very well trained" But way wild (: Sometimes, followr your heart and do what you think is right (:

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