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        02-24-2012, 09:49 PM
      #11
    Trained
    WElcome Newbie! Please please do not try to learn to ride on this horse! THe way the market is right now you could probably get 2 nice horses and you and your wife could ride. I would rehome the little wench and not look back. Personally if I had one-trained or not-who knocked my teeth out unprovoked-i would never ever trust it again. It would have been gone by now. I can only afford to have one or two, so I cannot tolerate behavior like that. SOme I feel confident enough to deal with, but that, along with the fact that she has been to 3 trainers-she needs to be gone and you need to get on with something you can enjoy. Your wife too. Horses should be fun. That is why we own them.
         
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        02-24-2012, 10:40 PM
      #12
    Weanling
    Eeek... please don't try friendship training. It may work for some, and that's great, but since you are new to horses and this one has already proven dangerous, she needs a VERY firm hand. Friendship training does not offer this.

    Honestly, I think you'll be risking life and limb if you try to deal with her yourself, and wasting money on training for her because she is essentially an unknown quantity. Three others couldn't break her, so who says the fourth can? Go get a horse you know is broke and start taking lessons. It may be hard for your wife to let go of this mare, but I believe there is a thread of here entitled "playing the hero: when to know to call it quits" or some such. I suggest she read it...

    Best of luck to you, and welcome to the wonderful world of all things equine. ^^
         
        02-25-2012, 12:21 AM
      #13
    Foal
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by arrowsaway    
    Eeek... please don't try friendship training. It may work for some, and that's great, but since you are new to horses and this one has already proven dangerous, she needs a VERY firm hand. Friendship training does not offer this.

    ^^
    Arrowsaway, I understand your concern but I think you misunderstand what FT does. It teaches a horse what is not acceptable (as kicking clearly is not). It is not about just being friends with a horse, but about removing unnecessary stress and improving communication between horse and human so these accidents don't occur. The primary consideration is always the safety of both the human and the horse. There is a rather stringent application program and people are not accepted into the program if the instructor thinks that the circumstances are such that the person and horse won't benefit.

    The lady has had the horse for three years, I had only been around horses about 18 months when I started FT with my gelding. It has helped to turn around extremely aggressive horses - one member had a very dominant and aggressive TB gelding that had almost killed a friend and had kicked her in the head; she was advised to have the horse put down. Now people comment on how trusting he is. Another lady whose story comes to mind has a mare everyone else was afraid of - she would literally attack with no provocation. She is now becoming a trusted friend.

    FT does help to set boundaries with the horse - my gelding had been biting at me and becoming more dominant with me before FT, that has all changed. He is an extremely stubborn and strong minded horse and I was not a confident person before this, yet it is helping us enormously.

    That the mare has not done well with three trainers might just mean they all used the same inappropriate methods with her.

    If the lady has stuck with the mare for 3 years she clearly cares for her, and has nothing to lose from at least checking out the FT website or joining the Yahoo Group and talking with the other members there (most of whom have done FT) about their experiences.

    I understand scepticism about the program - it is indeed a very different approach - perhaps that is why it is so effective in difficult circumstances, as this one sounds to be.

    Regards
    Frances
         
        02-25-2012, 08:36 AM
      #14
    Trained
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by FrancesB    
    Arrowsaway, I understand your concern but I think you misunderstand what FT does. It teaches a horse what is not acceptable (as kicking clearly is not). It is not about just being friends with a horse, but about removing unnecessary stress and improving communication between horse and human so these accidents don't occur. The primary consideration is always the safety of both the human and the horse. There is a rather stringent application program and people are not accepted into the program if the instructor thinks that the circumstances are such that the person and horse won't benefit.

    The lady has had the horse for three years, I had only been around horses about 18 months when I started FT with my gelding. It has helped to turn around extremely aggressive horses - one member had a very dominant and aggressive TB gelding that had almost killed a friend and had kicked her in the head; she was advised to have the horse put down. Now people comment on how trusting he is. Another lady whose story comes to mind has a mare everyone else was afraid of - she would literally attack with no provocation. She is now becoming a trusted friend.

    FT does help to set boundaries with the horse - my gelding had been biting at me and becoming more dominant with me before FT, that has all changed. He is an extremely stubborn and strong minded horse and I was not a confident person before this, yet it is helping us enormously.

    That the mare has not done well with three trainers might just mean they all used the same inappropriate methods with her.

    If the lady has stuck with the mare for 3 years she clearly cares for her, and has nothing to lose from at least checking out the FT website or joining the Yahoo Group and talking with the other members there (most of whom have done FT) about their experiences.

    I understand scepticism about the program - it is indeed a very different approach - perhaps that is why it is so effective in difficult circumstances, as this one sounds to be.

    Regards
    Frances
    No Frances, I doubt there was any misunderstanding. There are others of us who had the same reaction.
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        02-25-2012, 11:21 AM
      #15
    Super Moderator
    This is not a thread about the merits of one training over another. A suggestion was made about FT, and the horse owner can google it for more info. I don't want a thread hijack/debate to happen here.
         
        02-25-2012, 05:34 PM
      #16
    Showing
    Just whatever you do, OP, please be careful. Horses aren't like cars in that you can just jump on them and drive without any thought. They are living breathing thinking beings that have good days and bad, and have to learn their basics and manners from professionals or people that really really really know what they're doing or they can be dangerous.

    They aren't puppies, but it's fine to have a 'pasture puff' that you don't ride. But if you DO ride, you need to be very safe and consistent and lay down the law.

    Good luck
         
        02-25-2012, 08:28 PM
      #17
    Foal
    I have a mellow horse. She is 4. I had an offer to have her training finished off by the woman that sold her to me. My horse is so gentle and minds me well that I will finish her as I learn to do the training that is needed. A horse that kicks would be a bit intimidating to me. I would have to really be in my power to go out to work with an intimidating horse. I would also be ready to spend as much time as it takes to work with an intimidaiting horse and I would have to think of ways to out wit this intimidaiting horse. Ways that were safe for the horse and ways that worked.
         
        02-25-2012, 09:25 PM
      #18
    Started
    I don't think this is time for friendship bonding.... and I think we need to say on topic about the fact that this horse has seen three trainers, still unbroke, they are beginners and has kicked his wifes teeth out
         
        02-28-2012, 08:36 PM
      #19
    Foal
    To casy02. I'm speaking in passive. Let me be strieght. I would not keep a horse like that. There are so many horses available that would not hurt people.
         
        02-28-2012, 09:54 PM
      #20
    Started
    Oh no I completely agree!! I think they need to get rid of this horse and find one to enjoy!!
         

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