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    02-29-2012, 03:54 PM
I just want to ask you and your wife to be very careful.
I have 30 years experience and I would not keep that mare.
There are so many nice and gentle horses out there. Good Luck!
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    02-29-2012, 11:06 PM
How much experience does your wife have?
    03-01-2012, 06:35 PM
Like a good rooster, I keep because he is safe. I would keep a safe horse. Like a mean rooster I make into sausage, a mean horse I would make into sausage. I know people that have had horses for years once in a great while they have to make 'pony rony'. A mean horse is as usless as a mean rooster. People have been eating horse for years. Look in the history books. Make room for a safe horse!
    03-05-2012, 10:52 AM
Newby. You are a fella thinking of joining a woman’s world - indeed a brave chap. I admire your pluck but sadly it is not enough. There are three elements to private horse ownership. Namely the schooling of the horse, the husbandry of the horse and the training of the rider. You by confession have minimal knowledge of horses or riding and that is not a good starting point.

The horse you are thinking of taking on is one which for some reason or another has already acquired a bad reputation but that could be because the so called trainers were not competent to handle a difficult horse - if indeed the horse is difficult. However an unbacked difficult horse is not the sort you need to teach your body how to react and cope with the stresses and strains of riding. In the initial stages of learning to ride, it is the steady plodding dobbin of a horse which teaches your body how to stay mounted. Invariably such horses are to be found in riding schools. You certainly can’t learn to ride without a good tutor and a placid horse You won’t be able to catch and tack up your unschooled horse without guidance. And then there are all the husbandry and horse health issues about which you haven’t a clue.

If you have already got your own facilities including a stable, a tack room, a feed store and a few acres of well fenced grass then by all means consider how to get into horse riding but for sure that wont be with a difficult horse in one hand and a book in the other hand. I’d encourage any young male to consider taking up horse riding but the days of riding bareback and a hand made bosal halter have long gone. Maybe keep the old horse - it can always become a companion horse to a sensible riding horse.

What you need is some help. Go visit the local riding club - if there is one. Buy a few drinks for the locals. Talk about what you want to do and watch their faces. Put an advert in the local newspaper saying: “ Have unbroken horse, need clever rider/trainer - HELP!”

But before you do anything - go find some riding establishment where they will let you sit on a horse and allow you to go round and round in circles for an hour . If when you eventually get off the horse, you can still stand up, then ask yourself if this really is the world you want to join. If it is, then buy immediately a well fitting pukka riding hat with chin strap, an elasticated wide waist and back support, a pair of riding gloves some knee pads and a decent pair of knee high riding boots. Visit a book stop and buy your first “How to ride a horse“ book.

WARNING. A horse can live for 30 years or more. It is a 24/7 365 day a year expensive responsibility - be careful what you wish for, you may get it.
    03-05-2012, 02:03 PM
Green Broke
I, too would rather see this young mare in a different home& maybe a couple of nice, well broke & trained horses instead-Maybe geldings? Might be easier for both of you & the chance of having a foal won't be an issue. Good luck.
    03-05-2012, 03:07 PM
Originally Posted by Newby1    
Yes, the mare kicked her while she was just in the stall with her. No provocation. We're lucky she didn't do more damage. Stitches, some new teeth and a couple thousand dollars later.

What kind of $$ are we talking for a good professional trainer and riding instructions? I'm sure it varies across the US, but a roundabout $ would give me an idea of when I could get started?
Speaking of money, the $3K I spent on one gelding, the $1.5K I spent on the other gelding and the $2.5K I spent on my mare--ALL rideable when I bought them and NONE which try to kick me in the face when I've bending over cleaning up after them while they are in their stalls EVERY DAY THIS WINTER.
IMO, sell the mare and buy and ridable animal, PREFERABLY a gelding bc geldings don't run on hormones like a mare or stallion. A horse (over 14'2hh, or 4'8" at the withers) is WAAAAYYY too big and powerful to be your big out-of-control dog. Neither of you knows enough to maintain her RE-training even if you find the right trainer. You'll be throwing good money after bad.
I'm so sorry for your wife. I know what she went through to get new teeth--painful and costly. Horses CAN be like well-trained dogs, when trained right. They can be a joy. YOUR mare is a little terror.
    03-06-2012, 09:06 AM
You have a very expensive pasture ornament who is also very dangerous and spoiled rotten. And no matter how many trainers you send this horse too, it won't change it's behavior till your wife changes hers. I think the best thing is for your wife and for you to find someone to consult on the proper handling of horses FIRST even before riding. This mare is walking all over you and she is BOSS...not good. She WILL kick her again. In fact if she could she would kick her every day and never ever feel one bit of remorse over it if she felt your wife was invading her space and disrespecting her. She is a big old brat. And honestly some trainers like to start horses as late as 6 because a horses mind is mature at that time so guess what you need to get her off soon to someone who can nip all this crap in the bud and teach you and your wife how not to recreate the exact situation again...because she will slide immediately back into being the dominant wench she is being as soon as she gets home if she returns to submissive hands who enable her to act this way. It's not just the horse who needs work...with horses...the path to hell is often paved with good intentions ;) No doubt your wife loves her...but there is a special way to show a horse love...and she needs to learn this ASAP before she gets hurt worse than she has already been. This horse isn't broke at all...she is meerly tolerating she is NOT trained.
    03-21-2012, 10:27 PM
NO horse is EVER too old to change. Technically, your horse shouldn't have been started so soon. The earliest age I would ever start a horse at is four, because that is when most horses are fully grown (size wise).
    03-22-2012, 05:18 PM
So did anything ever happen with the horse? Keep, Sell??
    03-23-2012, 02:12 AM
Dude, don't even mess around with that mare. A big pet is what she's going to be until someone with plenty of experience rides her on a regular basis, probably for a minimum of several months. That's about what it would take, depending on a large variety of factors that are tough to predict or perceive for a less experienced person. To become skilled enough to tackle 'tough cases' takes a long time and a bigger commitment than most people want to or are able to make.

On the other hand, there's always the school of hard knocks though. That's where you learn mostly by how many times you hit the ground. Kind of a 'that which does not kill me' kind of deal. All depends on how far you want to take it.

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