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    06-27-2008, 11:25 PM
  #1
Foal
Please tell me what type of odd training bridle this is....

Alright I like the look of this bridle but I have no clue where to get one, It looks as if it would have the horses head set prperly with a slight touch but also harmlessly....Please if anyone knows what this is please tell me what it's called and what exactly it is used for, and also where to get one from.....

Here's the link (bear with me I did not read the article for it was about a bit not the actual headset, I scrolled through and didnt see anything about the headset itself)

http://www.infohorse.com/bitproblems.asp

The 3rd picture show the better shot of the headset....
     
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    06-28-2008, 08:36 AM
  #2
Showing
RebelsRose, That head set comes from a lot of training not from the bit. The bit he has is a spade bit and can be very severe in untrained hands or a horse that has not been conditioned for it.

If you are looking for a bit that will help you move towards a headset like that, look into the Mikmar bits (www.mikmarbit.com)

A bit will get the flexation but only training will make your horse soft as well.
     
    06-28-2008, 09:45 AM
  #3
Started
Its a western bridle with a bit that has a very high spade in it. Do not get that for your horse unless you are a professional!!
     
    06-28-2008, 10:22 AM
  #4
Green Broke
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Its a western bridle with a bit that has a very high spade in it. Do not get that for your horse unless you are a professional!!
Completely agree!!!
     
    06-28-2008, 01:30 PM
  #5
Foal
Well, I am glad you all have informed me of this without being mean towards me for not knowing..../.Thankyou
     
    06-28-2008, 07:01 PM
  #6
Trained
I think it's more than just the bit - That different looking nose band is connected to the poll of the headpiece. Parelli has recently brought out something for his 'finesse' level(meaning not for learners to go near) called the 'cradle bridle' that looks similar. I don't think he'd advocate the use of that bit for any but the most experienced horse/person team tho. That is most definitely one piece of tack that is a long way from harmless(ouch!).

I've heard higher level parelli-ites rave about the bridle. I think they may use it with a snaffle as well as leverage bits, depending on their preference. I'm not up to that stage of training with my young boy, it feels a bit gimmicky & too mechanical to me and also I'm not rich enough to consider buying his name brand! :roll: Therefore I have no personal experience of it & haven't seen one first hand. You can probably find more about it on his site, if you can't get in touch with that other clinician.
     
    06-28-2008, 11:48 PM
  #7
Foal
Well, I am definitely. Not a professional, and do not have enough experince to use this type of bit, so I am no longer even looking for one, I just liked the look of the headstall itself, not the bit, I had pulled up what a spade bit was and was instantly turned off of it, It is a very severe harsh bit, I wouldnt ever put that in my horses mouth, no matter what but I was thinking I could change the bit and but like a tomthumb on it, but now you have explained that even then headstall itself is harsh without the spade bit. So no worries I would never consider using one....

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Originally Posted by loosie
I think it's more than just the bit - That different looking nose band is connected to the poll of the headpiece. Parelli has recently brought out something for his 'finesse' level(meaning not for learners to go near) called the 'cradle bridle' that looks similar. I don't think he'd advocate the use of that bit for any but the most experienced horse/person team tho. That is most definitely one piece of tack that is a long way from harmless(ouch!).

I've heard higher level parelli-ites rave about the bridle. I think they may use it with a snaffle as well as leverage bits, depending on their preference. I'm not up to that stage of training with my young boy, it feels a bit gimmicky & too mechanical to me and also I'm not rich enough to consider buying his name brand! :roll: Therefore I have no personal experience of it & haven't seen one first hand. You can probably find more about it on his site, if you can't get in touch with that other clinician.
     
    06-29-2008, 12:24 AM
  #8
Yearling
The spade bit is NOT a harsh bit. It is used for professional, COMPLETELY broke horses, and the rider doesn't even have to /breathe/ to get the horse to do what they want. When it is done right, it is almost like the horse reads the rider's mind, going exactly where they want with no cue.
But it's not for beginners. It's not even for most 'trainers'. It is an art, and do not knock the bit for being 'harsh'. A snaffle can be terrible harsh in the wrong hands, too.
     
    06-29-2008, 01:16 AM
  #9
Foal
I understand this, that any bit can be harsh in unexperinced hands, You must have taken my words or some one elses wrong.... I was saying that I myself was not experinced enough to use a spade bit, I wasnt saying anything like the person whom invented it should be choked with it....I also do not understand what you are stating, A spade bit you say is only supose to be used on professional, COMPLETELY broke horses, and the rider doesn't even have to /breathe/ to get the horse to do what they want, so why are they even using this type of bit? Why not a regular snaffle? Or something simple and softer? If the horses are so broke that they understand what the rider want with it seems like no cue, then why use a bit at all? But I posted this thread asking for information on the whole headstall and bit itself, so it's obvious that I know nothing of this subject and you can probably give a perfect reason as to why they use abit at all if the horses are so "BROKE"....Again, please don't take my words wrong or think I am being rude, I'm just simply trying to understand and learn as much as I can...

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Originally Posted by mayfieldk
The spade bit is NOT a harsh bit. It is used for professional, COMPLETELY broke horses, and the rider doesn't even have to /breathe/ to get the horse to do what they want. When it is done right, it is almost like the horse reads the rider's mind, going exactly where they want with no cue.
But it's not for beginners. It's not even for most 'trainers'. It is an art, and do not knock the bit for being 'harsh'. A snaffle can be terrible harsh in the wrong hands, too.
     
    06-29-2008, 08:58 AM
  #10
Showing
Riding in a spade bit is an art form of training. In it's highest level, movements by a rider are so delicate as to be imperceivable and the horse seems to be moving to the will of the rider alone.

Compare it to a painter. Someone with a snaffle is like a house painter - they do a wonderful job covering the house with paint. It is neat and professional; the finished work can be admired ........ but it is not the Mona Lisa.

A finished "Bridle Horse" is truly an art form. This is a part from a series on training. Check out the bridle and you will see the one you were originally asking about:
http://www.lesliedesmond.com/index.php?id=133

The spade bit was developed by the Spanish and, in the US, it began in California. Today it is used pretty much everywhere.
     

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