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    04-16-2012, 05:49 PM
  #1
Weanling
Is it possible to collect a horse at the trot?

My horse has a very fast, choppy trot. I've only had him for a few months and am just starting to ride him after the winter and am finding out how bad the trot is. I can usually sit a trot well but with him, I'm all over the place and it hurts to try to sit it so I usually end up posting (in a western saddle). It feels like it would look like a standardbred racehorse trot gone wrong.

What could be the reasons for a choppy trot and is it possible to "fix" it?
     
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    04-16-2012, 06:44 PM
  #2
Yearling
First off does his saddle fit? When my girl really starts running into a choppy trot it's a sure sign she's changed shape and the saddles hurting.

I'd see what his trot is like on the ground, see if he'll jog on the lunge. Then have someone video you trotting on board double check you're not inadvertently sending him forward.
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    04-16-2012, 06:48 PM
  #3
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Collection and drawing him back onto his hindquarters. He's most likely unbalanced and that's why he feels so uneven and short strided. I'm assuming he probably hold his head pretty high as well? These are all signs of a horse with little training, and it can absolutely be fixed atleast somewhat.

My advice is to get with a trainer, as teaching a horse to use it's hindquarters and round up are hard if not impossible to teach over the internet. As soon as you have him working correctly though, his trot will be easier to maintain and sit to. Ofcourse, that doesn't mean he'll be easy- some horses just don't have nice trots, usually because of conformation- but you can definitely help him make it better.
     
    04-16-2012, 06:51 PM
  #4
Foal
It's definitely possible to collect at the trot! There are multiple ways to get your horse to collect and everyone has their own preference. Have you had experience getting a horse to collect before? When I taught my horse to collect, I see-sawed the reins until she would drop her head, then release as a reward. Once she brought her head back up, the see-sawing would start again. This process can take MONTHS to finally master, since collection is all about muscle. It will be hard at first to get your horse to collect, and until they gain that muscle you will need to tell them quite often.

If your horse is just learning, take a few days just to teach them to drop their head, then move in to actually having him tuck his nose in. I like to practice this for about 10 minutes each time I ride when just starting, but remember to keep consistent!
     
    04-16-2012, 06:55 PM
  #5
Weanling
[QUOTE=MeryaTeeBars;1457700] I see-sawed the reins until she would drop her head, then release as a reward. Once she brought her head back up, the see-sawing would start again. This process can take MONTHS to finally master, since collection is all about muscle. It will be hard at first to get your horse to collect, and until they gain that muscle you will need to tell them quite often.

This is what I have been doing is kind of see-sawing the reins. He is ok at a nice slow trot but when he picks up speed is when it's bad. He definitely needs some weight/muscle especially on his topline so maybe the saddle fit isn't right either. Things to check out!!! Thanks everyone!
     
    04-16-2012, 07:01 PM
  #6
Foal
It's definitely hard to tell exactly what you're doing and how you could improve over the internet, so the best advice is to seek someone with experience that could give you some advice in person. Good luck with your horse!
     
    04-16-2012, 07:18 PM
  #7
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Originally Posted by MeryaTeeBars    
It's definitely possible to collect at the trot! There are multiple ways to get your horse to collect and everyone has their own preference. Have you had experience getting a horse to collect before? When I taught my horse to collect, I see-sawed the reins until she would drop her head, then release as a reward. Once she brought her head back up, the see-sawing would start again. This process can take MONTHS to finally master, since collection is all about muscle. It will be hard at first to get your horse to collect, and until they gain that muscle you will need to tell them quite often.

If your horse is just learning, take a few days just to teach them to drop their head, then move in to actually having him tuck his nose in. I like to practice this for about 10 minutes each time I ride when just starting, but remember to keep consistent!
None of the above has anything to do with collection.

All you are doing is beating the head down and dragging around the forehand.

Collection (the real kind, not the fake headset) takes years to teach and achieve and has absolutely nothing to do with where the head or neck are.

If you care to learn what it really is, read this: http://www.equisearch.com/horses_rid...ection_061810/

Endiku is correct in that the remedy for the rough, disconnected trot is connecting the back end to the front. It is done by driving the horse forward into the hand. And like Endiku also said, it is not something that can be explained on the internet.
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    04-16-2012, 07:21 PM
  #8
Yearling
For working on actual collection your horse first has to trust your hands. Ensure your hands are following his mouth with a steady even contact. If that's already not instinctive you need I work on it. A horse cannot be trained to properly collect if it thinks your going to jab it in the mouth it will hide behind the bit and generally tense up giving you an even bouncier trot.

Once you can hold that steady contact you start ensuring that there is no tension in the horses body ensure the horse is bending nicely around the leg. With a steady contact forward movement and the bending my mare collects up on her own. If there is no tension/ no falling in with shoulders and you still don't have a contact you can massage the rein that you feel the brace on.

Ensure when thy drop their head you follow with you hands.

Remember this is hard work for the horse at first so reward a few strides at first. Also make aure the horse is properly warned up. I generally do a long rein canter or two before I ask for collection.
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    04-16-2012, 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Blondehorselover    
This is what I have been doing is kind of see-sawing the reins. He is ok at a nice slow trot but when he picks up speed is when it's bad. He definitely needs some weight/muscle especially on his topline so maybe the saddle fit isn't right either. Things to check out!!! Thanks everyone!
No no no no no! No see sawing! That's going to be as pleasant to the horse as pulling a tooth out from a string attached to a slamming door!

I am too lazy to type this again. From another thread:

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There is a huge factor that defines if the horse is working properly or not.

It's back.

If the back (spine) is rounded up and engaged, the head will follow. YOU cannot yank the horse into a frame or an outline or however you want to call it.

You use your body to PUSH the horse into the bridle, use half halts to balance, lots of transitions, and then eventually the horse (again, pony) will use its back properly.

Since the horse is being ridden by beginners who don't understand how to get the horse into its proper working state (back rounded and engaged, not stiff in the neck or poll) then it's going to be tougher to communicate it to the horse because it will keep coming undone.

But continue to try and get that horse working properly!
Impulsion from the back, contain it in the front. If you want specific help, video would help.
     
    04-16-2012, 07:31 PM
  #10
Foal
[QUOTE=mildot;1457745]None of the above has anything to do with collection.

All you are doing is beating the head down and dragging around the forehand.

Collection (the real kind, not the fake headset) takes years to teach and achieve and has absolutely nothing to do with where the head or neck are.


Although it may sound like all I'm doing is getting the horse to drop its head, that is not at all what I am doing. At first, yes, I am teaching my horse the drop down cue, and once she masters that is when I begin to teach collection. By no means is her head just dropped, she is taught that way to have a rounded top line and to tuck her nose in, just the way that collection should be. After using the see-saw technique, I am able to get her to collect now just by picking up the reins.

I know there are many other ways to teach collection, however, I do not like training with the use of draw reins, and instead prefer to teach my horse to pick me up by using the muscle on the top of her neck rather than the bottom.
     

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