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    08-13-2009, 05:57 AM
  #1
Foal
Problem pony!!

Long story short, due to injury oscar has been out of work for over two years (by work I mean medium to heavy work) and now after his break he will not work for me!! He bolts, bucks, rears, drops the shoulder, rolls.... the list goes on!! I've tried everything but retraining and im at my wits end!! His pedigree is too significant to ignore, and he was once a successful little show pony with brilliant movement and gosh is he handsome when he's all done up!! I DO NOT want to sell him, but we have too many horses in work and not a lot of time.. does anyone have any suggestions?! Im desperate!!
     
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    08-13-2009, 06:32 AM
  #2
Foal
I seen some success putting them in the round pen, and commanding gaits from the ground. Have you tried getting Oscar back "in line"? Seems whenever they get a vacation, they are now "retired", at least in their minds. You may have to temporarily retrain, but it probably won't take too long...
     
    08-13-2009, 11:25 AM
  #3
Trained
I agree, you will have to re-train, until he remembers what's going on and realizes that he is indeed back in work.

Are you sure he isn't reacting out of pain though? You said he was off for two years for an injury, so it seems to me that it was a pretty hardcore injury. Are you sure he is 100% recovered?
     
    08-13-2009, 11:33 AM
  #4
Foal
I would definitely make sure he is back to 100%...but then after that spend a few weeks minimum doing some ground work with him (lunge in side reins maybe)...take it slowly...work on some walk, trot transitions on the lunge...then work in the canter after a bit...always end on a good note. After you work on some ground work for a while, then try to get on him again...maybe lunge him the first day you are going to ride him, and then just do some walking and trotting transitions....good luck!
     
    08-13-2009, 01:05 PM
  #5
Weanling
What exactly did he do to require that time off? I would be willing to say that even if he is 100% recovered, that his body adopted an "off" holding pattern to compensate for his weakness during that time. Remember horses have to be 80 to 90% lame before showing signs, so that the would not attract predators. It is very easy for a horse to alter the weight carried between legs to attempt to hid lameness. Even if the lameness is gone, the holding pattern is still there. With the body not straight and balanced, we can't expect the same quaility and willingness in the forward movement.

When people hurt themselves for long periods of time, they have to go to physical therapy to learn how to use their limbs efficiently again, they don't get an ok from the doctor and go out running. For horses, we have to supply this through our training. I have seen many "problem" horses that no one could figure out what was wrong. One comes to mind that got his hind leg stuck in a wire fence as a yearling. It left a nast scar that wrapped completely around the cannon bone. He never took an obviously lame step, got a 100% soundness from the vet, and was always an issue under saddle. When I got a chance to look at the horse, the entire right hind and left fore were weakened and he was completely out of balance. He never took a lame step, but he did disguise his lameness and this made it difficult for him to balance with a rider even after the injury was healed. No one ever taught him how to use that leg correctly again, and then they wondered why he gave them problems.

I would do a whole evaluation of your pony if I were you. Compare muscle development from side to side, re-evaluate the frame of mind and make sure that he is ready to learn again and not still watching his butt due to lameness, make sure that he is trusting you as his leader. Many times, you can even tell an imbalance issue just by looking at the size of the hooves. Have a body worker out, and then you very well may have to re-start him, not through training methods, but through training self-carriage. Hope that helps a little.
     
    08-13-2009, 01:33 PM
  #6
Foal
Sounds just like how jasper used to be. I know retrianing is difficult! I've been there! I have wanted to give up so many times. I think the best thing you can do is start over completley. Pretend he knows nothing at all. That's what I did. For what he does...(please note this is what I did, and it worked for me, it may not work for everyone)
Botling- He wants to run, make him run. When jasper bolted with me, I just galloped him around until he was tired, when he was tired, I still made him go. It took all of one time for him to get it.
Bucking- you really can't stop that. When he does it, try turning him in tight circles.
Rearing- A big no no!! Does he do it offten? Or once and a while? Jasper does it once and a while and when he does, I relax and hang on to his neck. If he would fall backwards, I can swing off him using his neck. I really have no advice for stopping rearing(sorry)
Dropping sholder- I take it he drops it when he's turning? When he does take your inside hand and raise it up towarsds the ceiling. This should help some.
Rolling- Usualy you can feel a horse the as about to go down. When you see him pawing or feel him tensing up to go down, raise your reins and kick. Or turn him. That worked for me,

Sorry to anyone who disagrees with what I said. This is my training mehods and they have worked for me.

Thanks for reading =]
     
    08-17-2009, 07:10 AM
  #7
Foal
Thanks everyone!! I've tried most of the things mentioned, and still no prevail!! I've retrained and broken in horses before so im not a complete beginner at the game.. We had our vet come out (who is also our chiropractor, dentist, physio therapist......) and he gave him a 2 hour full body check and said he was fine.. he's had multiple physios, gets an equisage every two weeks (more if he's been ridden) and has a small check up from the vet every 3-6 months.. he's 100% sound (x-rays, biopsies and MRIs have proved this). His original injury was his stifle, but that had come from his hip being misaligned and that had come from a spinal injury. All this had happened in the paddock one day when he just slipped over while running amock. He's coming better now but he's still not nearly as good as he used to be. Oh and the rolling..? He runs and throws himself on the ground. At first we thought he was in pain or physically couldnt do the work we were asking him so, again, the vet paid a visit and he couldnt find anything wrong so he sent us around the arena and he said he showed no signs of pain and put it down to bad manners for now. He doesnt roll anymore and rearing has almost completely ceased but he still bucks and pigroots to get him own way (hes always been a bit of a grumpy character).. Thanks everyone for your advice!! Do you have any more suggestions...?
     
    08-17-2009, 08:15 AM
  #8
Foal
mmmm...

Ahhh, I see we have a problem on our hands hehehe, this is what happened to my pony, clever thing really...
She was out for 3 months riding because she had a oppo to take out two fatty balls of tissue that were stangling her bowel and two feet of dead bowel, ewww...(but she's fine now :)
But getting back into work was tricky.
It is really like we are taking them out of retirement again!!
Its like they think, pfft they havnt ridden a horse in a long time, betcha I can contoll them what I want to do... (evil horse laugh!)
They ususaly win their argument!
Don't give up!!, that's a good start!
Remember YOUR THE BOSS!
Not the horse!
Atm your pony is the one riding you! Don't let that happen be stong with him! And just experiment with different things to get him back into shape :)
Patience, is hard but it will work out.

But still be friends hahaha :) otherwise you will get nowhere! :P
     
    08-17-2009, 11:33 AM
  #9
Yearling
Hello.
My horse was not working and out to pasture for a few years because I was injured! Well....When he arrived at the barn his head was all screwed on backwards.
He also had bad feet and some arthritis which was inflammed due to lack of movement.
The concept was the same.
Start slow and move foraward accoringly.
He had developed a rearing issue when he arrived. Rearing is dangerous and despite all other goings on this one had to be dealt with right away.
Into the round pen we went. We started out with simple ground work excerises. Now the horse is 8, but he was like having a 2-3 yr old all over again. Being it was so long since he was handled on a regular basis it was back to the basics.
I used Clinto Andersons excersises to regain the horses respect and establish leadership with him. Then I slowed it down to restore his feet and when the feet and arthritis were under control, I then began more hand walking and more excerise in the round pen. More time doing things like bathing and leading and exploreing his new surrounds.
As others have stated when a horse is off for a lengthy period of time it is as if they need to be reschooled all over again.
I hope that you will have some luck with the horse, but you stated that your pressed with time and many horses to work with.
Well I just want to let you know that in rder to get a handle on what was going on with my horse I had to spen time at the least 5-6 days a week with turn-out for the horse 1-2 times a week. In the end, it has all paid off and we have graduated to training on the lounge line. We are now working on his ho/whoa all over again...
Never ending.!
HP
     
    08-18-2009, 04:29 AM
  #10
Foal
By not much time I mean an hour a night on week night and most of the weekend, but I have 3-5 horses to work (not all mine),, thanks for all your suggestions!! We asked our vet if it would be ok to have him in a round yard and he said the only circle work we could do would be about 40m ones, so lunging and round yard are off limits for now =( but I shal try when he's better!! He just needs more muscle tone to compensate for his stifle.
     

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