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        08-29-2011, 09:28 AM
      #101
    Foal
    I press my body into his as I rub the bag on him. Say I am rubbing the bag down his back then I will pet his neck with the other hand. And I never put the bag on him until he has checked it out first. I don't move it at all until he is okay with it. Ie doesnt move or flinch when he sniffs it. My neighbours went to a show where they trained new foals with this method and the foals were rideable in just four hours. (One hour a day for four days) Mind you these people doing the training were very advanced and knew just how to react to the horses reactions but but that's still amazing! So I been trying it out and it seems Shooter is coming around. He is less paniky now and after a full week of time with him he is leaving gates better and isnt so hot tempered when I am working with him. He still wont let me saddle him but I have been bringing the saddle out every day and just putting it ona tarp in the middle of the corral. We walk by it and around it but I never go near it. I let him check it out if he wants and then carry on our routine. Is this a good way of getting him used to the saddle without it just being tossed on his back??
         
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        08-29-2011, 10:56 AM
      #102
    Showing
    Yeah it's a good way, though why set it on a tarp? I think that kind of makes the saddle a little more intense to approach :P Also try the saddle on different levels... ground, chair, fence, really high up..etc.
    So if you go near him with a saddle, does he move or is it only when you put it on his back? If it's while you approach, he probably thinks saddle = pain or saddle = work or something negative. So you need to make the saddle something pleasant. Maybe sack him out with the saddle, and offer a little bowl of grain or a flake of hay for taking it. If it's only on his back, my horse did this too.. so I practice putting it high in the air next to him and then patting him before lowering it back down next to him. When he could handle that, I gently set it on his back, wait a second, then take it off before he had a chance to react. You're trying to make the saddle pleasant, and good things happen when he wears the saddle, or even sees the saddle. You want your horse to WANT to work with you, to ride, and just to lead with you.. not whinnying and bolting off the other direction, or offering a kick or two.
    What is your opinion about why he is rejecting the saddle?
         
        08-31-2011, 09:51 AM
      #103
    Foal
    why set it on a tarp?
    Because I read this is a form of sacking out the horse. Placing the tarp in spots around your work area and making the horse walk over it and around it until he is no longer jumpy or afraid, on a fence when the wind is blowing, folding it up and placing it on his back while walking around. Etc...
    if you go near him with a saddle, does he move or is it only when you put it on his back?
    WHen I bring the saddle into the corral he is ears up and sloly backs away from me. I usually walk just inside the gate and stand there holiding the saddle till he comes up to me. After that as long as I don't move the saddle he is ok but if I try to put it on him he backs away or turns his ass end away from me. Again I just stand there with his lead rope in hand and don't move till he stands still. Once the saddle is on his back he stands calmly and lets me do it all up. Its just the initial getting the saddle to his back that is an issue.
    What is your opinion about why he is rejecting the saddle?
    In all honesty I believe his saddle issues stem from the fact that he gets saddled in the summer only and only when I had time. He just needs more time. I sent him to my aunts trainer last year for a month as I said before and when I got him home he was a dream to saddle but because I didnt ride him or pay much attention at all to him in the winter besides catching him for the farrier he regressed again. He is a the type of horse that NEEDS constant attention and training to make him really take to what he is taught. The one time he bucked while I was riding him I hadnt rode him for a week and I hadnt had time to properly clean his cinch and blanket ( I was showing him and the people looking to buy were in a hurry and just wanted to see him rode) and I believe there was a bur or something that hurt him so he bucked. He had never bucked before and I ALWAYS fine tooth comb his tack before I put it on him.
         
        08-31-2011, 10:52 AM
      #104
    Showing
    Well every horse needs that consistency else they regress to just being a horse, instead of being a trained horse. Though I wouldn't put the saddle on the tarp if just seeing the saddle and it getting closer to him puts him on edge. It's good to sack him out with a tarp but do it the wrong way and you can make him scared of it moreso than he started out.
    I'm sure you know you shouldn't ever rush anything with a horse, so I won't drill you on that :)
    As for backing away... part of it is resistance. He knows saddle on= work or = human on my back. Don't ever try to saddle a loose horse because then they learn they can just run away from it and that it's okay. Kind of like when you're bathing your horse and it's running crazily away from the hose (some horses do this) you have to firmly make the horse ho and gently ease the water on the horse. Kind of the same with the saddle. You make the horse stand. When he stands and he is on lead, start approaching him with the saddle. As soon as he backs, stop. Make him come back, and then try again until you can get the saddle on his back without a single foot moving. Always remember to back off when he backs up. You don't want to chase him with a saddle cause that won't make him stand still. You have to back off, get him standing (sometimes asking him to take a step forward back to where he was) and then work on getting it on with no problems.

    But please, in future, clean your tack and check it well!
         
        10-16-2011, 06:44 PM
      #105
    Foal
    Hello Everyone!! Well I am pleased to announce that after a few months of serious horse time Shooter sheped up to be a real fine young man. I can now open any gate and he will camly walk through it without kicking or running at all!! I found a buyer for him who knows all the inns and outs of him thus far and has agreed to send him to a proper trainer for more hands on time. The day she came to look at him he saddled like a dream and he trailered like he had been doing it his whole life!! I am sad to see him go but he needed a better home than I could give him. He had his vaccinations and got his teeth checked and he didnt even flinch at the vet!! So really good news all around. Thank you all so much for your advice and wisdom!
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        10-16-2011, 11:44 PM
      #106
    Yearling
    Glad to hear that the situation turned out nicely!
         
        11-06-2011, 09:37 AM
      #107
    Showing
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    Originally Posted by NewbeeTrainer    
    Hello Everyone!! Well I am pleased to announce that after a few months of serious horse time Shooter sheped up to be a real fine young man. I can now open any gate and he will camly walk through it without kicking or running at all!! I found a buyer for him who knows all the inns and outs of him thus far and has agreed to send him to a proper trainer for more hands on time. The day she came to look at him he saddled like a dream and he trailered like he had been doing it his whole life!! I am sad to see him go but he needed a better home than I could give him. He had his vaccinations and got his teeth checked and he didnt even flinch at the vet!! So really good news all around. Thank you all so much for your advice and wisdom!
    I only just came back to this thread... well done NewbeeTrainer! :) Knew you could do it!
         

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