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    08-22-2011, 05:12 PM
  #21
Foal
Good Luck!
Advice: This could be a difficult thing to train out of him. & like others stated- dangerous. Since you can't afford a trainer, I would suggest (like was said) to look things up online on a trainers page. Sometimes they do have troubleshooting ideas, which your problem might be specified. What I said has worked for horses I've had, but every horse is different so keep an open mind. Maybe look for clinics in your area that you could go to/participate in.
Don't show fear to him, as sometimes that invourages such behavior, but make sure you do respect him & respect that until he stops this he could seriously injure you. I would start at step one & completely retrain your horse on ground manners. I've always been told that if the horse doesn't respect you, he'll never take the time to respect what you are training him or doing with him.
I hope it all works out for you! It can be frustrating when you want so much out of em, but keep a calm head & work in small steps. & STAY SAFE! :) Keep everyone posted!
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    08-22-2011, 06:02 PM
  #22
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by .Delete.    
Very noble of you, but you need to help yourself before you can help this horse. You need a trainer who knows what they are doing so they can teach you and help you teach him.

There are few horses cannot be trained that are just flat out dangerous and mentally are not stable. Im not saying that's the case with this horse.

This is soo true. Our neighbors up country have a gorgeous little mare that is as mean as they can be. There were even a few trainers that tried to work with her and the last one said to put a bullet through its head. And he is a well known trainer around here.
     
    08-22-2011, 06:11 PM
  #23
Green Broke
I would suggest signing this horse over to a reputable rescue that works with a trainer.... Or giving him to someone who is a trainer. You have him for sale but not many people are going to pay anything for a crypt mustang gelding with tons of training issues.
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    08-22-2011, 06:23 PM
  #24
Showing
You might be able to sell him, but it's not right to pass on your problem to someone else. Will you be able to live with the guilt if the horse kills someone?

Unfortunately, there ARE untrainable horses, and there are too many good, sane, trainable greenies out there to take risks with dangerous ones. The future is bleak for a dangerous horse, and often the kindest solution is to put the horse down before he ends up in a bad situation, or before you get seriously injured.

No matter how experienced I might be thirty years down the road, I will not work with a rearer.
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    08-22-2011, 06:45 PM
  #25
Showing
Yep I would do lots of ground work with him, but first you need to be able to have control of him under lead and while he is out in pasture/turnout or whatever you do.

Does he try to charge you or rear at you or kick at you when he's out with the herd (even for turnout)?
What halter do you have him in?
How do you lead your horse? (this may seem like a very silly question but can affect the horse)
Does he understand pressure and release or does he just tackle down everything standing in his way?
If you take him for grass, or just lead him, is he rude and snatchy or does he follow willingly?

The entire time you need to keep a no nonsense attitude. A horse is looking for a leader-someone to keep him safe. If you have fear, then he'll step up and be the leader, or he'll fly off in the other direction as fast as he can. It all depends on the horse.

Before even slipping the halter on, watch him out in pasture or turnout or even in his stall. What is he like? Is he bored? Is he trying to escape?

This will help you to determine where his mind is at.

THEN once you have a respectable controlled and calm horse on lead, take him into a large enough space where he can roll and such, and let him walk around and explore things, then work on sending him off in directions with a lunge whip or a lead rope (furthering his idea of "respect my space" and pressure.)

Take it slow, and never feel frustrated. Try to remain calm and then if need be, get angry (but a controlled anger) and be firm.. then soft when need be.


Just some tips
     
    08-22-2011, 07:01 PM
  #26
Showing
I want you to google Erin's Carolyn Resnick's Notes and do the first step called Waterhole Rituals. You will just spend time in the field or paddock. Take a chair, read a book, clear him from your mind. Don't even look at him. Do this for what could turn in to many days. He is getting used to your presence and beginning to accept you as part of his herd. When he approaches, pay no attention. Do have a whip handy in case but hopefully you won't have to use it to back him away. Horses are curious creatures so the hope is that he comes to investigate you. Only then do you go to the next step. You are building trust and letting him decide to approach or not.
     
    08-22-2011, 07:36 PM
  #27
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I know some of the suggestions seem harsh but people are giving honost opinions. I'm not ready to jump on the put him down band wagon yet but the trainer wagon I'm in agreement.

If you can not afford to send him to a trainer, seek the guidance of one. There are trainers that will give you lessons on the ground for the cost of a riding lesson and teach you how to handle these things.

When it comes to dangerous behavior you really should not risk yourself trying to figure it out through magazines, forums, and youtube. Sometimes it is just a matter of one proper technique but you need an experienced person to help you.
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    08-22-2011, 07:48 PM
  #28
Foal
There is no reason to put him down...this horse is acting as if he were a stallion because due to some testicular tissue leftover, he thinks he is. Would you put a stallion down if he acted this way? If so, there are going to be a lot of stallions euthanized because they all act that way at some point in time in there lives.

I highly recommend you look into following Clinton Anderson's Downunder Horsemanship. It is an excellent training method for any horse, but especially problem ones. For now, whenever he behaves badly make him back up. First teach him how to back up and when he is naughty really get after him. Horses do not LIKE to back up (do you ever see one in the pasture randomly backing?) No. Carry a short dressage whip with you and whenever he is naughty really make him back, back, back, back, back....and make him do it quickly. Trust me on this tried and true method. He will soon learn to behave himself because it is no fun to have to work so hard. If he won't back, use the whip on his chest. Whatever you have to do to get him to back (don't beat him, but mean business) make sure you make it clear that he needs to get out of your space and that this is a punishment for the behavior he is displaying. I typically make my naughty horses back 10-20 steps very quickly...then go forward again and act like nothing ever happened...if he's naughty again, then repeat the punishment. You may have to do it many times, but eventually he WILL figure it out. Anytime he displays a behavior you don't like, you make him back. It is different under saddle. I do not make my horses back under saddle much because when they learn something new (dressage), if they know how to back, then tend to back up if they get confused. Reinback is in 2nd or 3rd level, so no need for a training level horse to know how to back. If he is naughty under saddle, do a one rein stop (nose to your knee).

For more info, research Clinton Anderson and consider becoming a member and purchasing the videos :) Good Luck!
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    08-22-2011, 07:59 PM
  #29
Green Broke
Ok here is my thing... you said that you aren't experienced enough to handle his issues. People on here can give you advice on how to make him listen on this forum but honestly it's just words on a screen. It's not going to translate into what you actually need to do. My worry is that you will try something on here and get hurt. You need to learn just what you can and can't do so that you don't get yourself injured. I used to think that I could do it all and with most horses I'm okay with figuring stuff out. But with my husband's draft gelding I know that I can't do things on my own. I need help and unless someone is there to assist me I don't bother.


I strongly suggest that if you do try and teach this out on your own you always have someone there with you in case something goes wrong. PLEASE wear a helmet while dealing with this horse. He is trying to strong arm you, teach you he is your leader and not the other way around. My feelings are that he was never properly taught respect and because of this you will have to work twice as hard on teaching him what is and isn't wrong.

As far as stallion behavior goes, even with a stallion issues like this should be addressed as soon as they arise. Especially with stallions you need to be at the peek of your attention, knowing what your horse is doing at all times, when they are behaving in this nature. Your horse has a relatively hot breed (Paso Fino) in with a naturally "free" breed. He was never taught to curb his natural instincts. I would be worried that this is never going to change and just going to get worse.

If you must do the training on your own, instead of reading advice go on youtube and look up people dealing with problem horses, buckers and how to earn respect on the ground. Good luck with him.
     
    08-22-2011, 08:03 PM
  #30
Showing
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Originally Posted by Jamzimm101987    
There is no reason to put him down...this horse is acting as if he were a stallion because due to some testicular tissue leftover, he thinks he is. Would you put a stallion down if he acted this way? If so, there are going to be a lot of stallions euthanized because they all act that way at some point in time in there lives.
Any stallion that reared, kicked, or bit while in my presence would be gelded or sent to a trainer for a good come-to-Jesus meeting. Being a stallion is no excuse for a horse to misbehave.
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