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post #1 of 12 Old 09-29-2010, 07:54 PM Thread Starter
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Problems Just Keep Rolling In

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So the past few weeks Champ has had a behavior change under saddle. I can see saw his head down with no problems but as soon as I add constant pressure h*ll breaks loose. He freezes and rears this most commenly happens when I position him to lope. I add a little rein pressure then he starts to half halt, I push him forward add more rein pressure, he freezes then rears/bucks. His teeth are due so thats first factor makes sense. His saddle fit has been checked and it only happens under saddle. I am booking a vet should I ask him to check his back to? Any other ideas?
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post #2 of 12 Old 09-29-2010, 08:17 PM
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For one, what type of bit are you using, and for two, what discipline are you riding? I don't know anything about you, your training, him and his training ect., so I don't want to make assumptions, but my guess is that he has never learned how to deal with pressure. Instead of pushing him into the bridle, and getting him to move up under himself properly which will naturally make him put his head down, and round up, you are instead just see sawing his mouth to get him to lower his head, and have only been using direct constant pressure as a means to stop him. You should half halt him when asking to canter, ect, instead of holding constant pressure, and you should ignore his head for a bit, and just push him forward from the rear, and get him going well under himself, then start adding light pressure to the bit, releasing once he gives even a little, then push and pressure again, until he gives a little, then release, and keep repeating that exercise. He'll learn that pressure is not a bad thing. That is just my personal opinion. I would honestly have a chiropractor look at him, and see if he maybe needs an adjustment, cause even if the saddle does fit, he could still be out of alignment, and that could cause him to be having bad reactions.
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Sorry, but see-sawing a horse's head down and then adding constant pressure is practically a recipe for flipping a horse over. I have no idea what you could possibley be trying to accomplish. What can be gained from holding a horse's head down? Horse's respond to release of pressure, not the other way around. Please bring in a professional before this gets any worse for your own safety.

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post #4 of 12 Old 09-29-2010, 10:06 PM Thread Starter
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Obvisouly I didnt explain myself. Normaly I don't sea saw his head it was just a test to see what he reacts to. Secondly I dont hold his head down I said in my post I added rein pressure not pull his head down. Thirdly he does collect this problem is arising because theres a hidden pain (I believe). This only started suddenly.
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Okay then, that clears things up. Yes, it does sound like a teeth issue. Definitely the first place to start.

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Should I post a video? To evalutate?

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You said his teeth are due. Might as well get them done and see if that's it.

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Is it definately when you apply pressure or when he puts his head down that he reacts ? Kay
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Is it definately when you apply pressure or when he puts his head down that he reacts ? Kay
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It when I apply presure.

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post #10 of 12 Old 09-30-2010, 02:04 PM
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Ahh just wondering because my tb had some back issues but if its pressure related i doubt it is you'r horses back or saddle as then it would be more to do with how he was carrying himself and would be all thet time not specifcily related not pressure. I take it his tack has not changed ? If it has recently it could be something as simple as the new bit or bridle nipping him when pressure is applied either in the corners of the mouth or pole area ? It does sound mouth related so i would get the teeth done before you worry too much. Did you say this is a new problem but i was wondering if you have maybe changed your riding style slightly or method and it is maybe just something he hasn't experienced before and therefore doesn't know how to react to this new pressure ?
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