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post #11 of 66 Old 01-24-2011, 12:09 PM
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C: (this seems like such a newb question, but) can I progress in his training without lunging him?
Sorry to double post but I just noticed this. The answer is yes, you can get him go progress in his training without lungeing him.

However you will not progress in YOUR training which is equally important. After being kicked in the head it is understandable that you are fearful. If you really can't face lungeing him yet, find a trainer that can. Watch them successfully lungeing him so that you can see that it is possible. Then do it yourself.

This is something that you need to address as much for yourself as for your horse.

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post #12 of 66 Old 01-24-2011, 12:24 PM
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I like Candandy's simple response. I'm envisioning my friend's bullwhip (like the man from snowy river), which probably would work very well. A good crack or two and you will be back in charge in no time.
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I should say it makes a loud cracking noise. Not to crack the horse with it.
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Ok, I don't want to put a scare into anyone but as training doesn't seem to be working have you looked into possible physical reasons for the misbehavior? I ask this because I personally know of 2 horses who became very aggressive when training started & both had been brought up correctly.
Both were also Paints, both had congenital bone cysts in the large bones causing pain when worked.
I hope this isn't the problem with your horse but it may be worth looking into.
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Alright, it seems I need to clear up some things.

The first is my horse as been checkedand double checked by several vets. He also had a chiropracter come out and look at him when he first started showing signs of being pushy (the first thing he ever did was insist on charging down hills, even while he walked like a gentleman up the hills). He has also had visits from equine massage therapists back when I was boarding him at a stables (he is being kept on my property now, but this started far before I moved him).

Secondly, when I talk about my horse coming after me, I'm talking about with his hind end. He has never charged me face first, but more of him turning his butt at me and backing up while bucking or just shuffling really quickly in my direction.

Thirdly, he is working with a professional trainer. He does this at the walk, from the second he is asked to lunge. She turnes his head in when he starts to turn his butt towards her, but he will still shuffle backwards into her. I have a whip. It's five ft long with an added six ft section of nylon rope (thin, though). She uses it, but it seems to make him more fired up, and act more aggressively. The trainer seems to think it's more ofa game to him than actual aggressive behavior, but regardless, it's still extremely dangerous.

There's a "horse whisperer" who lives behind me. Is that something that would help, or is he just going to do what my trainer is doing?

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It depends on how he whispers

Why don't you go and see how he works with horses and determine for yourself if it would be beneficial to you and your horse? Talk to him, ask him questions, find out if he has dealt with aggressive horses before and what the outcome was.

It is impossible for us to say how effective he is as a trainer without this type of information.

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Alright, it seems I need to clear up some things.

The first is my horse as been checkedand double checked by several vets. He also had a chiropracter come out and look at him when he first started showing signs of being pushy (the first thing he ever did was insist on charging down hills, even while he walked like a gentleman up the hills). He has also had visits from equine massage therapists back when I was boarding him at a stables (he is being kept on my property now, but this started far before I moved him).

Secondly, when I talk about my horse coming after me, I'm talking about with his hind end. He has never charged me face first, but more of him turning his butt at me and backing up while bucking or just shuffling really quickly in my direction.

Thirdly, he is working with a professional trainer. He does this at the walk, from the second he is asked to lunge. She turnes his head in when he starts to turn his butt towards her, but he will still shuffle backwards into her. I have a whip. It's five ft long with an added six ft section of nylon rope (thin, though). She uses it, but it seems to make him more fired up, and act more aggressively. The trainer seems to think it's more ofa game to him than actual aggressive behavior, but regardless, it's still extremely dangerous.

There's a "horse whisperer" who lives behind me. Is that something that would help, or is he just going to do what my trainer is doing?
I have watched my own trainer deal with this with several horses, including my own. They should NEVER turn their butt to you, as you know. What he does to correct this is somewhat what your trainer is already doing-with one hand(the hand one the side of the head in that direction), pull the rope/line so that the head comes toward you. With the other (the hand on the side of the butt in that direction) lunge forward, with the foot on the saome side the whip is in, outstretching your arm and cracking the whip at the horses butt (not hitting it) at the same time. Hard to explain, but really quick and works like a charm. So, if the horse is going to the left, use your left hand to pull the head, to tuen it in, and at the same time, lunge at the butt with your right foot and arm, cracking the whip. If, for some reason, the horse does NOT turn its butt, stop and face you, try again, but you may have to actually smack his butt. Not hard, but he has to know you mean business. Use this tecchnique to reinforce turning head to face you whenever he stops lunging.
Try it-hope it helps.

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That's exactly what the trainer has been doing...

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Well, timing is also a crucial factor in these situations, if you could possibly post a video of his behaviour that would really help us pinpoint the issue?

There is a training saying that I love and I think applies to your boy:

"Direction is better than correction"

Just means that you are better off guiding a young horse properly and avoiding the bad behaviour than allowing the behaviour to happen and then try and punish them for it.

In your case I would suggest that your trainer needs to be more decisive and aggressive with their behaviour and EARLIER. So don't wait until the horse has stopped and allow him to turn his butt towards you. Don't wait until his ears are pinned flat back on his head, you know what is coming. If he is kicking out you are FAR too late.

When you see an early warning sign, and it may be a swish of the tail, a head throw, a skipped step, drive drive drive with your body, with the whip and with your voice. By the time he has stopped and turned, you have lost the moment and all you are left with is punishment.

Just my thoughts but a video would sure be helpful.

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That's a really great idea. I will try to post a video as soon as possible.

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