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        02-12-2012, 09:13 AM
      #11
    Green Broke
    My advice first and foremost, stop thinking of her as a "rescue" and start thinking of her as any other horse. Forget her past. Focus on her future.

    Have you ever gone to her paddock just to pat her? Give her a treat? Even just halter her and then take it off and let her go? Sounds to me like she associates you catching her entirely with having to leave her paddock and do things which she doesn't particularly want to do.

    I would not have whacked her with the rope either with the way you described the moment in the pen. A good firm growl for the ears and a tug on the rope to bring her back to face you, but I am not sure her behaviour warranted more than that at that moment in time. I am not against giving a horse a wallop when they need one, but this is generally reserved to behaviours that present an immediate threat. From what you described it seems that whacking her in that situation was counter productive.
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        02-12-2012, 09:44 AM
      #12
    Trained
    Can you put her somewhere with less than 13 acres? My horses & I get along well enough...but if I had them in 13 acres, I'd need to have the dogs round them up.

    My mare MIGHT come to me. The geldings would both say, "Work? Work? I'm on vacation!"
         
        02-12-2012, 10:17 AM
      #13
    Green Broke
    Twenty five years of so ago, I had a horse that I boarded that had the same problem. She never did like me to catch her, and she was on a hundred acre pasture. I was never able to get her to come to me, and always had to be part indian to catch her.

    I'm no horse expert by any means, but if the barn owner is feeding her then he or she is probably the one she's bonding with.

    Over the years I've learned the easiest way to a horses heart is through their stomach.

    The first thing I'd do is to be the only one to feed her.

    Second, never hit anything in anger. Having a horse fear you is different than having a horse respect you. Instilling fear in a horse is easy. Respect, from horses as well as people, has to be earned.

    My daddy use to tell me " You catch more fly's with sugar than you do with vinegar." It took me far to many years to understand the wisdom in his teaching. I still struggle with this at times.

    Above all. You have the horse to enjoy. What ever you do with her, keep that in mind. If you're having to hit her, I find it hard to believe you're enjoying her.

    Love with all your heart. Always.
         
        02-12-2012, 02:18 PM
      #14
    Foal
    My horse was hard to catch when I first got him. Someone showed me to follow him at his pace and then remove the "pressure" when he does the right thing. I walked behind him (not directly behind), when he walked and I jogged, when he trotted. When he stopped, I would stop. When he turned towards me, I stepped back (that's what I mean by removing the pressure). After removing the pressure, I would walk towards him. I was able to get closer and closer each time. When I finally got close enough, I pet him and then stepped back. It took a while but eventually, I got the rope around his neck and then the halter on. Each day I did this, time catching him became shorter and shorter. Now, he doesn't run away from me and even sometimes comes when I call him.
    Allow yourself lots of time and don't get frustrated!
    Good luck.
    P.S. If he canters away, don't bother chasing him because you can't keep up...obviously...lol. Just wait until he stops and try again.
         
        02-12-2012, 07:23 PM
      #15
    Weanling
    Going out to feed her 2x daily as she requires is not an option for me because I work 2 (nearly full time) jobs. I do plan to go out and feed her when I can, and yes, sometimes I do go out just to give her treats and groom her.

    Today I found out she is being run off her food frequently by the other horses. Should I expect the BO to do something about this? Or is this just "the pasture life" and I should quit investing in such expensive food? (Since she gets 3 bites before all the other horses get it).

    I think what I am getting from all of this is to make a point to spend more quality time with her, and less work time.
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        02-12-2012, 07:32 PM
      #16
    Yearling
    I'd try to get her a stall to bond with you in for a couple weeks, then turn her out, she'll be so much better!
         
        02-12-2012, 07:33 PM
      #17
    Yearling
    I also won't buy feed if my horse isn't getting any. Maybe you can separate her in the evenings after you are done messin with her so she gets some grub.
         
        02-12-2012, 08:33 PM
      #18
    Weanling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by trainerunlimited    
    I also won't buy feed if my horse isn't getting any. Maybe you can separate her in the evenings after you are done messin with her so she gets some grub.
    She gets 3 lbs 2x a day, in the morning it gets stolen. At night, she is put in the round pen to eat and gets all of it. I am not sure what to do about that. She is not up to an ideal weight yet, so I put her on purina junior and strategy and she is not getting it sometimes =/

    I do everything with her in the round pen. Groom, tie, saddle, work. She has a phobia of barns. We will work on it soon though.
         
        02-12-2012, 08:50 PM
      #19
    Showing
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by nherridge    
    She gets 3 lbs 2x a day, in the morning it gets stolen. At night, she is put in the round pen to eat and gets all of it. I am not sure what to do about that. She is not up to an ideal weight yet, so I put her on purina junior and strategy and she is not getting it sometimes =/

    I do everything with her in the round pen. Groom, tie, saddle, work. She has a phobia of barns. We will work on it soon though.
    So what you're saying is she isn't pulled out to give the grain instead she gets it in a field?

    I would try to avoid that.. if possible. That would sour even the sweetest of horses quickly.

    Also try and take your horse out for a nice hang out groom then graze session. Then do a little bit of "work" and then go an spend some time bonding with your horse. Maybe even think about giving her the grain not when everyone else gets it, but before (or after) you ride/work with her.

    Man.. my horse used to be in a paddock with 30 (I kid you not) other horses in less than 4 acres. It was insane. And he'd maybe get 2 flakes of hay PER day.. it was horrendous. So I started feeding him hay before AND after we rode, and gave him grain once or twice a day. He started to come greet me at the gate even when he was turned out on an additional 6 acres (so 10 in total) and we bonded a lot better.. no sassy-ness or anything like that. And he's the kind of horse who will gallop away like a jerk than get caught. So it was a huge step.

    Now if you are approaching your horse and she turns and walks away or turns her butt to you, DRIVE HER AWAY make it work!) When she looks back to you, stop moving and release the pressure. Give her a few seconds.. if she turns around, great! If not and she continues walking.. drive her off!

    Until she stops walking away from you and faces you or even stops sideways, release pressure and approach without looking at her. Look at the ground, appear small and have a soft aura. Maybe bring a little treat so when you DO get to her, and halter her and stuff, she gets a cookie.

    I hope that helps. It's frustrating when they blow you off!
         
        02-12-2012, 08:51 PM
      #20
    Foal
    My mare walked away when we showed up too. I tried everything I could think of (she has no interest in treats...knows the halter is next) I started just walking with her, beside her if she was slow enough. Sometimes sterring her with just the pressure to go one way or another. Over time she has gotten better and I no longer have to "chase" her. I agree with lauraetco - try the following and pressure and just concentrate on getting her to at least stand still when you come out.
    After she "lets you catch her" do something she enjoys, a good scratch or even the treat. Patience, patience, patience...
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