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        05-27-2009, 05:59 AM
      #1
    Green Broke
    Problems (replies soon would me great)

    I have had a vet come out and check him over twice and have had my trainer check his saddle and bridle out. So it is down to a behaviour issue. We have a few problems and please don't go saying Chinga is a bad horse as he isn't he just needs a few reminders.
    • When I lunge him he will do most of the circle but there is one certain spot that he comes in and faces me. I send him back out but it doesn't seem to be working.
    • He bucks, when I put my foot in the stirrup after I got off and got back on he bucked. Could it be because I pressed my toe into his side by accident?
    • He bucked some more, When I was on him he would walk around (slowly) but when I asked him to quicken up or trot his ears went back and his head went down and bucked, I would pull him up straight away.
    • One we have had for quite awhile is that he will not stand while I mount I have clipped a lead rope on and asked someone to hold him and he still tries it, he likes to walk away and push away from me when I am mounting.

    I am just wondering how to deal with these situations and please don't go attacking me or saying Chinga is very naughty as I am admitting he has behaviour issues at the moment.


    Maddie.
         
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        05-27-2009, 06:18 AM
      #2
    Green Broke
    I just had a look at an artical and it said that I should keep my legs on him and pull him in a small circle, I've always been taught to take your legs off and pull the horses head up, mind you the pony I was taught to do this on was only ridden with spurs, what way is right?
         
        05-27-2009, 07:39 AM
      #3
    Showing
    It is much easier to ride a bucking horse when you pull their head to one side. It won't stop them from bucking most times but it takes most of the power away from the buck. If you think about the saddle broncs in the rodeo, they have one rein leading to the halter and the horse braces against that to give himself more power. Pulling with both reins is the same effect, it gives them something to brace against and actually makes bucking hard easier for them. That is one reason why the one-rein stop is a lifesaver, if you have control of his head, then he can't get away with you. Make sure that he gives to the bit each way and next time he goes to buck, just pull (don't jerk) his head around to the side and I usually urge them forward into a small circle. Usually, this will make them have to think about where their feet are so that they don't fall and they will forget about bucking. I usually urge them to continue circling until I am content with the way they respond before I let them out of it. When I release the circle, I keep them moving forward. Don't stop because that will give them the chance to think about bucking again. As for him bucking when you try to get on, do you desensitize him by flapping the stirrups before you try to get on? If not, you may try that for a while. Don't hit him with them but flap the leathers against the side of the saddle until he stands quiet. What I do when getting on a horse who is very green or a known bucker is I will keep the near side rein short (light contact with the bit) and leave the offside rein longer. When they start to buck when I get on, I pull them into a small circle around me and urge them to lunge in a tiny circle. It is the same principle as what I do from the saddle just used on the ground. If you are not comfortable doing this, you might ask for some help from a more experienced person. I can't really help with the lunging issues as I don't commonly lunge my horses. I am sure that someone else here can help you with that. Sorry for the novel but I hope this will help you a little.

    Also, don't expect him to completely stop bucking after the first time. Because this has become a vice, it will take a while to train it out of him. Just stick with it and you will see results.
         
        05-27-2009, 09:55 PM
      #4
    Green Broke
    Thats okay, thanks alot for the help I will try this this afternoon with him.
         
        05-28-2009, 01:26 AM
      #5
    Green Broke
    Well I'm about to go try it so wish me luck:)
         
        05-28-2009, 03:35 AM
      #6
    Green Broke
    Well we had a great ride, well not "great" but better then every other ride since my brilliant stack. Once I managed to get on him that is, you see I've always been slow at mounting. I did the thing with my stirrups how I was meant to flap them and he bucked two of the times I did this. So I circled him around me (this was in a very small circle). So then when I did get my foot in the stirrup "finally" I landed in that saddle so quickly, as I was not going to be caught half way in the air with a bucking horse.

    So I got on him and walked him out to the middle of the paddock with mum leading us and we just sat there. Then when I felt ready I walked him on "by myself" and he bucked a bit but I would pull his head sideways and make his nose touch my foot and then we would wait for three seconds and walk on.

    By the end of our thirty minute session I was trotting on him comfortably with a smile on my face and he had his ears forward. So I guess if I put the time into it I can do most things with him. I didn't let him canter, as he drops his head when he canters and I wasn't going to let him put his head down because he may have bucked. But we are working on keeping his head up when he canters; any advice on this would be great.

    But tomorrow is another day and he may be rotten again. But then I'll just work with him, hopefully he will learn that it's a lot easier for him if we work together not against each other.

    Any you think you had a novel, lol.
         
        05-28-2009, 05:53 AM
      #7
    Weanling
    Smrobs had some awesome advice, but with the bucking while mounting thing, it could be because sometimes when you get up off the ground, it can pull and put pressure on the spine. This used to happen with my horse. I've found if you get someone to hold the other stirrup, or if you get on using a mounting block, (use the fence if you don't have a proper mounting block) it normally doesn't pull.

    Good Luck with him.
         
        05-28-2009, 06:31 AM
      #8
    Green Broke
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Fire Eyes    
    Smrobs had some awesome advice, but with the bucking while mounting thing, it could be because sometimes when you get up off the ground, it can pull and put pressure on the spine. This used to happen with my horse. I've found if you get someone to hold the other stirrup, or if you get on using a mounting block, (use the fence if you don't have a proper mounting block) it normally doesn't pull.

    Good Luck with him.

    Thanks for that bit of info! I did end up getting on him with a mounting block when I got on in the end so maybe that is it. I will mount with a mounting block again tommorow.

    Thanks again Fire Eyes and Smrobs!
         
        05-28-2009, 07:13 AM
      #9
    Showing
    I am glad that you had a good ride with him. :) Sounds like you really made some progress and handled everything very well. Just keep up the good work.

    And I hadn't even thought about that Fire eyes, that's some very good advice too.
         
        05-28-2009, 08:24 AM
      #10
    Green Broke
    You need to spend more time with him on the ground. You also need to use more body language to more effectively communicate with him.

    When you're lunging or working in the round pen, you need to make sure your body is aligned so that you're BEHIND his drive line. The drive line is the line at his girth. You need to be sure your standing behind that line, and facing/looking at his barrel. If you step toward or turn toward his head, you are inviting him in to you.

    Since you know he's going to turn in at this one point, you need to be extra careful about where you stand and look, and push him more with your whip as he approaches the spot. Drive him forward with your whip, really pull your shoulders up and back, and radiate your energy toward his barrel and hip. Step toward his hip/barrel if you need to, if you see him start to turn in. Pop the whip and say "OUT." Praise him with a "Good boy" and a softening of your stance when he goes back out or stays nicely on the circle.

    For saddle work, I would highly recommend a ThinLine pad. It will increase comfort and eliminate any possible minor saddle fit issues you may not realize you have. Most trainers do not have professional saddle fitting training, so they often miss a small issue that your horse may think/feel is a big one. I would go with the ThinLine Contour pad. Here's an Australian distributor of them:
    ThinLine Contour Pad
    Also make sure your saddle is properly placed, so the front d-rings are 2-3" behind the back edge of his shoulder blade.

    When riding, be calm, be relaxed, and expect him to act right. When he goes down and begins to buck, YANK his head back up and KICK him into a tight circle, yelling "QUIT THAT". Trot him on a tight circle until he submits to you, pet him and tell him "good boy," and go on with your ride. Rinse and repeat, changing directions of the circle each time, until he quits bucking.

    For standing while mounting, you just need to be more persistent. When he moves, swat him on the chest with a whip and say "QUIT" and back him up to where he was. Pat him and tell him "good boy" when he stands nicely. I would use a mounting block to take some of the strain off of his back when getting up. He may not like his withers being pulled over.
         

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