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post #11 of 24 Old 08-23-2010, 09:32 PM
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FranknBeans: She asked for what we would do in her situation, and I said what I do when retraining a horse like that... I have retrained more than one 'bolt' type horse, and have not had to resort to a heavier bit than a snaffle in any instance. That's just MY experience...

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post #12 of 24 Old 08-23-2010, 10:56 PM
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Im not a hackamore person. I just don't like them. They can be just as harsh as a bit...just in a different way.
Harsh heavy hands can make any bit bad. Even a snaffle. I hackamore or bitless is a great bridle if you use it correctly. Not everyone knows how.

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post #13 of 24 Old 08-23-2010, 10:58 PM
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I also am not a fan of hackamores, and really not so much bitless either.....I have tried a bitless on some of my previous horses and it takes a while to teach them to move. They are afraid of it. Like Corino said-hackamores and the like put pressure on a different place and could easily create resistance in another area.
Like I mentioned above you've got to be willing to put time and patience into whatever bit/method you are going to use. If you don't want to take the time then no, it's probably not going to work how you want it.

Again used correctly bitless/hackamores don't create other resistance problems. I've used a bitless on my big draft for quite some time and it works absolutely fine. But I put the time in it with him.

There are probably horses out there that would not like a hackamore just as there are horses out there that would not like bit. But don't blame the device when it's the hands that hold it that really can make it bad.

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post #14 of 24 Old 08-23-2010, 11:02 PM
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^^ I would agree that ANYTHING can be too harsh if not used correctly.



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FranknBeans: She asked for what we would do in her situation, and I said what I do when retraining a horse like that... I have retrained more than one 'bolt' type horse, and have not had to resort to a heavier bit than a snaffle in any instance. That's just MY experience...
And I was expressing mine. We may not agree/our experiences are different, which is ok too.

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post #15 of 24 Old 08-23-2010, 11:11 PM
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While there is room required for the one rein stop, there is another similar technique that may have prevented your need to bail. It's called the pulley rein. You sit square, plant your right hand and rein against the horse's neck in a fist so it doesn't go anywhere and use the left rein to slow him down little by little in short bursts by pulling it away from his neck just enough to get a little flexion each gallop stride. I wish I could find video of it since it's a bit hard to describe. This move can be done in a straight line. Just this past week I watched a jockey use it after a race on a horse going at least 35mph. He stopped to horse on a straight line. It was very impressive.

I can't help you with the bit question since my horse I have never been on a horse who is heavy in the mouth.
Yes, this is actually a very common move with jockeys, as it's too much if a risk to do a one-rein with them. The basic idea, is that with some horses (expecially hard-mouthed ones/hot horses) by just hauling back on the reins, they are able to grab the bit/ lock their jaws against the bit which is basically them driving all pain from their mind. If you do a tug & release/ pulley-system, then it's not a constant stimulus & the horse can't numb themselves to it.
You can try a hackamore if you'd like. My friend's bf had a mare who was horrible for bolting (she'd do it on trails, going downhill!) They put her in a hackamore & it worked wonders for her. Make sure you have a chin strap, though.
For a horse like that, I wouldnt use a bitless bridle, as i've found they're no good at slowing a horse down if they don't want to be slowed. They are, however, very affective at turning.

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post #16 of 24 Old 08-23-2010, 11:27 PM
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If the bitless is positioned correctly it does just as good at slowing down but there can be a bit of a trick to finding the the correct position for the individual horse. Once you do, no problems. Like it said it works on my 2200 lbs. Draft and he wasn't always so inclined to stop when I wanted him too.

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My mare since I got her has been having a serious issue of taking the bit and going with her nose straight up in the air and can't get it back. She rides in a normal double jointed snaffle and don't want to move her away from that. She does beautifully on the ground but is horrible in the saddle. I talked to an old trainer of mine and she said to try either draw reins or german martingale with her and it has worked wonders. I started her out with the running then with someones suggestion moved to the standing but she still completely ran through. The nice thing about the german martingale is that it only applies the amount of pressure that you put on your hands through the reins. But the second they try to take a hold and fling that nose into the air it immediately applies pressure but then the second they come back to you it rewards. That is what I love about it. I would suggest using that not switching bits becuase that will only mask the problem until the horse discovers how to run through that bit too.
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post #18 of 24 Old 08-24-2010, 01:03 AM
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Azel have you checked your saddle fit? The fact that she's okay on the ground but not in the saddle leads me to think there something going on with the saddle fit.

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post #19 of 24 Old 08-24-2010, 11:28 AM
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Yes I have had the saddle checked by a proffessional saddle maker. It happens even if I am just bareback too. If she is in english or western. It always happenes. Only when on her back. She gets extremely worried.
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post #20 of 24 Old 08-24-2010, 01:35 PM
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I use a bitless on Hunter, I don't even think he has had a bit in his mouth. It works great and he has only been out on 3 or 4 rides away from the arena. He has been trained a lot by voice command.

On my old draft I leased they had a snaffle on him and I hard a really hard time stopping him, sometimes I didn't think I ever would. I got my own bridle for him and a kimberwick bit and it worked like a charm.
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