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post #31 of 33 Old 02-27-2008, 06:17 AM
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You know Spirithorse, I think that you and I are doing the same stuff pretty much in the same way, but it is just a case of using different words to say it. Reading what you wrote, I see me with Ambra or Sierra. I suppose that having had them for the past 12 years, I've moved on from having the predator/prey concept hanging in my mind at every turn and just work with them in the way that comes naturally and works well for us. I know what makes warning signs go off for them and how far to push in any given moment and I also know when to back off. I know that if at the streams edge, I take my legs off for that instant, they will say "yay I don't have to go, she didn't mean it". So I keep the leg on til the toe gets wet and like I said, it may take a time or two and some circling, but we eventually get there , across the stream I mean.

Did you happen to read the description that I have given of Ambra thrashing and throwing herself around when the bit and bridle were on? This little horse is one smart cookie and over the years has tried every ruse to get out of listening and that was absolutely a classic effort. I think we give our horses far less credit often than we should. Just like you are trying to manage the situation, so are they because that is what horses do in the herd. And the whole thing, in my opinion anyway, that Parelli tries to teach people, is how to step into your horses life as the head horse. He tries to teach people how to not act like a predator. Just because you make your horse face their fears doesn't make you a predator, especially if you are being calm and supportive.

Besides, if JDI is having her horse square off to her when she is asking for more effort, maybe it is a case of a challenge and maybe if the horse is also pulling at the same time, maybe it did work a time or two to yank the lunge line out of JDI's hand so she could casually trot off and not do the task asked for. Or maybe you are right and in horsey language the horse is standing there weeping uncontrollably (in her horsey mind) and saying don't make me do it, I'm afraid of cantering. Although as to that one, I'll bet the minute she takes her off a lead line and turns her out she'll be cantering away without a care. But until JDI clarifies the animals temperment, it is kind of hard to say what she might try.
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post #32 of 33 Old 02-27-2008, 09:22 AM
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lol, of COURSE a horse will be okay cantering alone out in its pasture Horses can do ANYTHING by themselves. That's why I laugh to myself (not out loud) when people say "My horse won't do a flying lead change!" Or "My horse won't do_." The horse can already do it perfectly but WE are the ones who screw them up and get in their way. Horses are fine until people show up. But some people just can't connect those dots.
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post #33 of 33 Old 02-27-2008, 05:50 PM
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when i got my mare she hated water. she would not cross a stream. she would jump this tiny little stream of water about 20cm wide but that was it. one day i set about getting her through it. she would usually freeze about 5 metres from anything with water so i took her up to that spot and stopped when she did. i didnt pet her but let her look at things and calm down. once she relaxed again we did a little circle and headed back to the water. it took about half an hour but we got slowly closer and closer to the water stopping each time she was at her threshold, relaxing and then moving on. by the time she went through the water and came out the other side she was reasonably relaxed.

on the flip side: i had an arab when i was young and he was the same with water. i stayed on him and kept pushing him into he plowed through the water just to get it over and done with. when we stopped on the other side he was panting and fidgety and generally more upset.

if im in a stall and my horse wont move then i do the same as what spirithorse was talking about. if he doesnt move apply more pressure until he does all the while this is teaching your horse to be more respondent to slighter pressure.

"I whisper but my horse doesnt listen...So I yell!!...He still doesnt listen"

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