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    05-29-2012, 07:13 AM
QH not listening

Hi! I have a 10 yr old QH gelding, I have owned him for two months now. I like to call myself a good begginer rider LOL! He has had great training, and really had been there and done that. But then he sat for about a year before I got him.
Brought him to my instructors barn, and he's been a little spooky here and there, but nothing that we couldn't work through. But, when I'm riding him, sometimes, he does what I like to call the worm. He will not stay against the rail, he doesn't listen to my leg at all, and for example I will ask him for a trot and he will, but he will twist his neck, and do this worm action sideways. It is way worse on his right lead, and trying to get him into a lope that direction is very difficult. And sometimes keeping him at a lope is difficult! I have started lunging him a few times a week, I am not overly familiar with groundwork techniques, deffinitly need to learn. But obviously I am doing something wrong, and some days are worse than others!
Thanks for any advice :)
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    05-29-2012, 07:23 AM
What does your trainer say?

And can you elaborate on what this "worming" is? Do you mean he isn't traveling straight and kind of drifts or he bends his neck and moves sideways?

I'm having a bit of trouble understanding, my bad.
    05-29-2012, 07:37 AM
That is exactly what he does, he will not stay straight and worms his way away from the rail! I will ride with a crop and use it when he won't listen to my cues, and when I am in a lesson and he acts this way, my instructor will say 'don't let him get away with it, get him over', and so I will be more hard on him with my leg and crop, BUT, this isn't solving the problem, cause he will go right back to being 'wormy', either in that lesson, or the next day etc.
I guess what I'm asking is, is this a leadership problem? Or him just being lazy?
    05-29-2012, 07:41 AM
It could be a balance problem. When you lunge him (I'm guessing that you do) does he stay where you put him or does he drift around?

If he drifts, you may want to see how he tracks up (where his hoof patterns fall) and that relates to his body structure (conformation)

If he doesn't, then it could be your balance on the horse. You mentioned that you are new, right? How stable are you when you ride? Your balance affects their balance.. and it's very hard for a horse to go straight when their rider is wonky themselves.

I wouldn't allow him to yank his neck around though, keep that nice and straight. I think he speeds up because you aren't cuing him to yield back to the rail correctly (or he doesn't know how)

Has your trainer gotten on him to see how he behaves when under a more advanced rider?
    05-29-2012, 08:11 AM
He is amazing when I lunge him! He responds very well to my cues, but he will break lope and go into a trot sometimes. I have had two experienced riders on him, and he was fine. He tried to pull the worm on my instructor and she said she corrected it before he fell apart, and that he is 'sticky' on his front end? Maybe from sitting around?
My balance and seat are coming along great, but I still have aways to go! Do you think there are any ground exercises that could help our problem?
    05-29-2012, 08:14 AM
Besides stretching him and you before riding, with the worming..no.

With breaking gaits, that's kind of an endurance thing. But if he only does it with you, that's a leadership thing that you need to resolve. Correct him right away and back off when he gets it right.

Since the worming is happening under saddle, it needs to be resolved under saddle. Has your trainer given you any tips or instruction on HOW to prevent him from doing that?
    05-29-2012, 08:22 AM
She has said to be more authoritive with my leg and crop to get him over, and throw in a small circle if I have to. This WILL work, but it hasn't fixed the problem between us!
Yesterday, I watched some Clinton Anderson tips, and one was for a spooky trail horse, to keep their feet moving, and when they are 'spooky' to start working them, ie, circles backing them up. So they will choose to remain calm, so they won't have to work.
I tried this with him on the trail when he became a little spooky, and it worked, and perhaps I could try doing this with him when he worms? LOL
But then I worry about if I stop him or turn him, he wins, because he doesn't want to stay against the rail?
    05-29-2012, 08:48 AM
Try bringing both hands to the outside (not crossing withers)

That will help keep his neck in line, then inside leg and tap tap him over, and before he takes it as a cue to go faster, do a few little squeezes on your outside rein.

Then once he's over, go back to how you were riding before, maybe even a nice loose rein or neck scratch so he knows that was a good decision.

Circles.. don't really work in my experience (my horse did this too)
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    05-29-2012, 08:52 AM
I watched a Clinton Anderson training thingie on tv the other day and he had his horse on the rail, at the walk, trot and canter and basically he would just go along the rail and if the horse moved off the rail he would just pick up the rein closest to the rail and pull him back over. What I liked about the training piece was it was very relaxed just focusing the horse on straightness and keeping him in the gait Clinton put him in and desensitising him to the rail.
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    05-29-2012, 09:02 AM
Thanks so much! Great advice Sky! I am going to slow down, and try to be more relaxed and keep him on the rail both directions. :)

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