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  • Should a bosal cut into the horses jaw
  • Bosal cut off air to horse

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    08-14-2012, 10:45 PM
  #11
Trained
I especially like a rope halter or (true) hack for youngsters & won't put a bit in a horse's mouth until they've learned to reliably learned to yield to pressure without it.

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Originally Posted by ledge    
In my experience, I have better control on a bit (if needed) but I will go to a special hackamore called a Stop n Go or Stop N turn, it can be more harsh than some of the bicycle chain hackamores.
What?? No way in hell I'd use a bicycle chain on a horse's nose!

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The Hack you cut off the air supply, in the bosal you pressure the nose.
Well I don't know any kind of headgear that cuts off air supply, but clearly by the above you know more about harsh gadgets than me. But a bosal is a true hackamore and the mechanical devices such as the 'English hackamore' are not really.
     
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    08-14-2012, 10:49 PM
  #12
Foal
A lot of hackamores you buy are bicycle chain over the nose, usually wrapped in leather or some of the older ones had rubber cushioning the chain.

Its how it was explained to me, it puts pressure under the jaw not so much cutting off the air supply.
     
    08-14-2012, 11:22 PM
  #13
Showing
If anything on a horse's head is cutting off air supply, then it is adjusted 9 miles of wrong.

Like Chick said, using a bosal effectively is an art form and it does take a long time to learn how to keep a horse from calling your bluff in one of them. Most folks who ride around in bosals or halters are all happy because their horse will stop/turn a little bit while plodding around but if you ever actually asked them to do something with the horse, they would have zero control because they didn't know the horse had already called their bluff and was just good natured enough to still obey in calm circumstances.

Really, if you really want to learn to use one effectively, you'd need to do quite a lot of hands-on training with someone who was very experienced with using and training in them. You can still learn a lot from reading the books and watching the videos that Chick and Boots listed though.
     
    08-14-2012, 11:23 PM
  #14
Trained
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Originally Posted by ledge    
Its how it was explained to me, it puts pressure under the jaw not so much cutting off the air supply.
So we're talking the mechanical bitless bridles rather than actual hackamores, if they put pressure under the jaw too? The main pressure from these is across the nose, as per a hack, but depending on the mechanics, some at the poll, but what sort of equipment actually cuts off air supply?
     
    08-14-2012, 11:40 PM
  #15
Weanling
A horse that can give his face to a bosal is way better than one who can give to a piece of metal IMHO I think bosals are a lot better for riding than bits.
     
    08-14-2012, 11:50 PM
  #16
Foal
Sometimes I use whats called a Stop N Turn or Stop N Go, its a Hack with a bar that puts pressure under the chin with a rope noseband, works really great if you have one with stop problems. But I find you loose fine control that you normally have with the Bit.
     
    08-15-2012, 12:32 AM
  #17
Foal
Check out the "Q" Bitless Rope Bridle as a simple alternative
     
    08-15-2012, 03:33 AM
  #18
Trained
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Originally Posted by smrobs    
If anything on a horse's head is cutting off air supply, then it is adjusted 9 miles of wrong.


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Like Chick said, using a bosal effectively is an art form and it does take a long time to learn how to keep a horse from calling your bluff in one of them. Most folks who ride around in bosals or halters are all happy because their horse will stop/turn a little bit while plodding around but if you ever actually asked them to do something with the horse, they would have zero control
A (real)hackamore, or halter with both reins attached under the chin does have a different feel, so for a horse that's trained with only direct rein pressure, or one that's learned to evade, or just not learned to yield effectively to other cues, some 'back to basics' lessons are important, then a few rides at least in a safe environment prudent before going out & about in it.

But as for it being such an 'art form' way different to teaching a horse to yield to a bit, and going on about 'calling bluff', that's just wrong IME. Perhaps it may be seen as such for people who rely on pain to force a horse to do stuff, but if they don't use a bit in that way, there's no huge difference(tho you can hurt a horse with a halter, bosal & particularly with a mechanical bitless contraption too). Even if you do like to control with strong force, horses 'call bluff' and refuse to yield to bit pressure too, just think about all the 'harsher bit' & 'my horse won't stop' threads. It's down to good or bad riding/training IMO, not the 'tool'.

As a matter of fact, I find 'spoiled' horses who have learned to evade or otherwise react to bit pressure *generally*(not always) go better in a halter. When 'retraining', I also start in a halter & find problems often just seem to melt away without much effort. Suppose it's my 'safety chain' but for confirmed 'bolters' or such that I'm training, usually the first rides out I do with both halter and bitted bridle, for Justin, but I find it's extremely rare that I feel the need to resort to the bit reins for extra control.
     
    08-15-2012, 03:43 AM
  #19
Trained
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Originally Posted by Ironless Horse    
Check out the "Q" Bitless Rope Bridle as a simple alternative
All I found when googled that was such like 'Q. What are bitless bridles. A.....'
     
    08-15-2012, 03:45 AM
  #20
Trained
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Originally Posted by EthanQ    
A horse that can give his face to a bosal is way better than one who can give to a piece of metal IMHO I think bosals are a lot better for riding than bits.
Ah, but you wouldn't be using a bitless in your avatar pic would you, because it looks like you're asking your horse to DO something there!
     

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