I think you and I have the same train of thought, just on different tracks that can't seem to connect
. I'm not explaining myself very well.
Yes, I agree, from what I've read of your posts, we do seem to be on a similar 'wavelength', so thinking it's a difference of perception. I'm not sure that I'm explaining myself well either, but I'm 'delving' into this further to try to make it clearer.
Certainly seems the 'pain to train' idea is perception, because while I too am not adverse to occasional punishment or such when I feel the need, I wouldn't say I disagree with the concept of it because I only use it rarely.
Bosals are not any less capable of inflicting pain than a bit (halters, on the other hand, I am thoroughly convinced are not even close), but it is a fact that horses seem to become hard to them a lot faster.
Since the OP was indeed asking about bosals, we come back to what's the difference then. But I don't know that I agree with you about halters or horses not becoming dull to a bit. Perhaps it's my experience though, that I don't have all that much experience with other people riding in halters - aside from those I teach, but it is very common around these parts at least, for people to have at least some degree of problem controlling their horses - & bits are the norm. While I'm not against *well used* bits, I do find that when 'retraining' problem horses, using a halter & no bit tends to make a big positive difference of itself. Perhaps it's just the different feel, I don't know. At a trail riding co I worked for, the boss would put any horse who learned to resist bit pressure into a mechanical bitless(English hack) & this worked fine, allowing average riders to have control.
Yes. Since I was talking to a non-beginner, I figured you understood that so I didn't type it out. I guess I should have so that you would have know that I understood it.
Yeah, I might state the obvious sometimes, but since it's a public forum & we only have eachother's words, I like to be as clear as poss!