Sorry just wanted to add, I spoke to the girl who orig trained him when it happened, she said he prob just needed spun out, said some will try it on with different riders especially when they are young, she showed me, just held the inside rein super tight turning his head to your foot while mounting, then if he does go to do anything he can't do much other than spin round and round and round, I've since showed hubby how to do this just incase lol!
She said after a couple of times doing that they usually work out the riders not a walkover and it's hard work.
My husbands green and manages this ok sounds like your client is losing her confidence a bit, maybe some lessons on an easy horse will help her:)
Hmm, I can feel your frustration and clients lost confidence is understandable. If what your doing is working then continue 1% improvement a day in 100 days you will have 100%. Maybe instead of walking six miles you can pony them, and have your client ride around your pony horse while your still holding the rope. I do that with my kids when they learning so they are cuing the horse but I still have control. As your aware respect is not transferable so it sounds like your client and her horse need to spend more time gaining respect. Some horses are just more one people horses and it takes time to feel safe with different people. Some people just ooze confidence and horses sense that, as well as those who don't. Your client needs to learn to ooze confidence and show her horse she is worthy of leading him.
Sorry I don't really have any ideas, but I will mull it over and if I think of something I will post it. Good luck to you.
Oh I would love to, but my client's heart is about to jump out of her chest just suggesting that.
Don't misunderstand, she is a pretty decent rider. I can put her on my green horse and she is just fine with her. She is not feeling insecure on any other horse. I have taught her one rein stop. Last time the mare bolted with her she stayed on and managed to stop her. For some reason this mare scares her. I agree she needed lessons, and I have taught her a lot.
This horse doesn't have problems with respect. She doesn't argue with her. She is very respectful on the ground and under the saddle. My client can get on safely and ride until the mare suddenly freaks out, often for no apparent reason.
In the 40 years of working with horses and training them, no, I have never had a one person horse to the degree that the animal will buck others off. When I train a horse, not to just me but to be trained to saddle, period. True, some horses respond better to me than their owners as my cues are what taught them, however not to the point where they act like bronc when they don't have ME administering them. Odd, very odd, and if it doesn't make sense it means something is askew.
I agree it is odd. I have trained many horses and they would all be slightly better for me than my clients until they got used their cues too. No big deal though.
This is first time ever the horse would be making such differences.
I had my client there from the very first lesson. Once I got the mare to understand cues for ground work I taught my client how to work with her on the ground. She has progressed a lot and is perfectly fine lunging her, even at liberty. The mare responds to her well.
Once I started riding her, I put my client on my own horse so she could ride next to us.
I train mainly problem horses and so far I never hit a wall. This is one is something new to me though...frustrating because she is just lovely when I'm on, so it's not an easy fix.
Just a guess, what I would give a go anyway. If you all have time, get the owner to “re-break” the horse, basically do everything you did to the horse, but under your supervision, with you doing little but sitting on a rail offering advice. After that, when it comes to riding it out, if you have a good strong, kind of bossy, horse that won’t take crap from youngsters, you ride it out while leading the younger one with the owner on it.
The leading out with a strong older horse is something I have done for years and if you get a good horse for leading the younger ones out, they can really keep them in line. The younger one might start o get where its place is in the pecking order too (assuming the owner can follow up on that). It can be hard to find a good horse for it though.
Yes, that is a good advice. Thank you. That is how I managed to get the horse to stand still for saddling, getting on and off for her. I had the client do everything I do when I'm starting a horse. It was pretty hard on my client. She is not used to jumping around and getting on and off million times. But we got through it. We just came to the point where riding out the freak outs is necessary and my client is not up to it.
Just to describe this mare a little more, she is not trying to do her own thing. She is not disrespectful at all. When my client gets on now she does as she is asked. And I know for sure my client is not frustrating her. Her posture is good, her hands are light, she doesn't always remember to use her legs when turning, but she is always gentle and kind. Since she got dumped she is very scared though. Yes, the mare is very sensitive and picking up on it.
I couldn't ride other horse with her just yet. We got to the point where I walked next to them, but unhooked the lead; after the last incident she wants the lead rope back on. They both seem OK if I walk next to them holding the lead rope.
Thanks everyone for the suggestions, it helps me to think things through.
Still it looks like I may be stuck with leading them around. The suggestions were good, except my client is at the point where her confidence went from good to almost none. She literally told me she thought she was a good rider until she started riding here. I don't know how to build my clients confidence to where I could try out your suggestions. (Other than leading them around)
I'm just really glad my client has always been there from the day one, or she would think I didn't train her horse at all, and am making her to do all the work.