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    01-29-2012, 05:42 PM
  #1
Weanling
Question for stallion owners!

I have an 18 month old stallion and a 2 1/2 yr old gelding (full brothers- raised together) and I am having some handling issues! They both get time in the round pen doing groundwork and learning basic manners, etc. The gelding is a real gentleman- very respectful both in and out of the round pen, but I'm having some real issues with the young stallion. I am not an experienced stallion handler but have successfully raised and trained several horses of my own. The problem with him is that outside of the round pen or stable area he thinks he is the boss. I have to go into the field now and then to inspect fences or just look at the state of their pasture, but I always have to carry a "weapon"- a lunge whip or rope or a long stick because the stallion will charge me. He seems to be doing it playfully but he's a big animal and when he does it he also incites my gentle gelding to play along, and I'm not liking the game. They both respond to me putting my arms up and making myself bigger, but I am wondering if there is something more I could do or if maybe I'm sending the wrong message altogether.
     
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    01-29-2012, 05:54 PM
  #2
Trained
Never mind just holding that weapon, get after him, and mean it.
     
    01-29-2012, 05:57 PM
  #3
Yearling
That's not acceptable behavior, you either need to work with more to gain his respect on the ground or geld him, you have to be alpha especially with studs. Is there a reason your keeping him a stud?
     
    01-29-2012, 06:03 PM
  #4
Banned
I agree with waresbear. Especially because he's a stallion. You need to show him who the boss is, or he'll just assume it's him. Why wouldn't it be him? No one's ever showed him any different, obviously. Right?
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    01-29-2012, 06:21 PM
  #5
Weanling
I am not keeping him a stud- I tried to have him gelded last fall but he had an undescended testicle. I was told to wait until he was 2 and then he might possibly need surgery, but his brother was gelded at 2 and "appeared" to only have one testicle then, but the vet could feel it so it was there- I guess they are late bloomers! I'm hoping we won't have to resort to surgery for this guy. He's really very sweet and I don't believe his behavior is aggressive- it appears to be playful and I don't want to punish him for being affectionate- I just want to teach him to be more gentle.
     
    01-29-2012, 06:26 PM
  #6
Trained
With waresbear. Put the fear of god in him.
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    01-29-2012, 06:34 PM
  #7
Yearling
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Originally Posted by KatieQ    
y. He's really very sweet and I don't believe his behavior is aggressive- it appears to be playful and I don't want to punish him for being affectionate- I just want to teach him to be more gentle.
This could get you killed. Seriously. It isn't "playing!" It is asserting dominance while being guided by the brains residing between his legs. All stallions have it in them to be aggressive. You have got to assert your place as head mare/dominant entity, or you are going to find that the "playing" isn't quite so cute from underneath this colt when he mows you down.

Even when you see foals play, there is a method to the madness. They are practicing dominance and herd hierarchy while still babies!!! If you continue letting him charge you, you will find out how much playing it is. Do internet searches on stallion attacks and aggression. It is not a pretty sight when the "playing" gets out of hand.

I feel sorry for the colt most of all. When he hurts you he'll be the one to suffer, because after all, you don't want to punish him for getting out of hand. This literally makes me cry.
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    01-29-2012, 06:38 PM
  #8
Trained
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Originally Posted by KatieQ    
I am not keeping him a stud- I tried to have him gelded last fall but he had an undescended testicle. I was told to wait until he was 2 and then he might possibly need surgery, but his brother was gelded at 2 and "appeared" to only have one testicle then, but the vet could feel it so it was there- I guess they are late bloomers! I'm hoping we won't have to resort to surgery for this guy. He's really very sweet and I don't believe his behavior is aggressive- it appears to be playful and I don't want to punish him for being affectionate- I just want to teach him to be more gentle.

You're familiar with how horses "play", yes? They buck, bite, kick, rear, run around, etc.

Now. You know how much that half ton animal weighs, right? And you know how much you weigh, right? Know how much easier it is to break a human than to break a horse? A LOT easier.

Horses don't understand "fragile humans." You treat them like a playmate, you will GET a "playmate" that bucks, bites, kicks, rears, and runs around. A hrose kicks another horse in the belly and that horse grunts, barely feels it, goes back to eating grass. Horse kicks YOU in the belly, you get several broken ribs and are hospitalized.

You need to get after him. You punish him gently and he WILL take advantage of you. And it won't be very funny when he finishes growing, trust me. Put some real fear in him. Make him think if he runs over you it'll be the last thing he ever does. May seem harsh to you but several broken ribs isn't worth his "affection".
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    01-29-2012, 06:46 PM
  #9
Yearling
He may just be playing but he can't play with people that way, and he needs to know it now not later, before you or someone else gets hurt.
     
    01-30-2012, 10:50 AM
  #10
rob
Weanling
You don't need to put fear in him,then he will never trust you.you punish him wrong or at the wrong time,he will never respect you.studs are different and you have to handle and work with them different.
     

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