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post #1 of 7 Old 06-16-2010, 09:30 AM Thread Starter
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I'm thinking of getting my Clydesdale re-trained..

At last measurement she was 16.3hh but has visibly grown since. She is about 9 (need to get out her papers to be sure, mental blank ) and is broken to both saddle and harness.

My stepmother bought her about four years ago intending to ride her, but lost her nerve and Mally became a paddock ornament /:

Fast forward those 4 years and at the end of a terminated marriage, I've been given her to do what I wish.

She's quiet, but inexperienced and green.
Doesn't know much about anything, and has forgotten a lot of what she did know.

She has some problems like:
Being very pushy, a.k.a bad ground manners
Suffers from separation anxiety.. in some cases will actually be more sweaty than my horse after the ride!

So basically she's a little toddler in a primary schoolers body

I want to use her for pleasure riding e.g. the occasional Pony Club rally (if I don't ride one of my others), trail riding through the bush to get some experience into her if/when I sell her.

I would try do this myself but I do not have experience with horse training and I'd hate to ruin such a lovely mare with my inexperience. TBH I'm just a tad afraid of her, she has no brakes whatsoever and she doesn't listen to aids. Doesn't turn

Sorry I babbled on so much >__<
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Does anyone know of a good horse trainer in Victoria? Preferably one with experience with Clydesdales?

What are some questions I should ask a trainer before deciding to use their services? Etc. Etc.

I've read a lot of 'horror stories' and I don't want something to happen to my gentle giant

Also, my little fat welshy probably needs some 'refresher' courses. Hes developed some bad manners and I want to work through these but I just don't feel confident to do them myself.
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post #2 of 7 Old 06-16-2010, 11:31 AM
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Well... the first thing I do when thinking about using a trainer is go and watch them work - with more than one horse. If they are unwilling to let me do that, then I simply won't hire them.

I find you'll know more about a trainer by watching them work than you'll necessarily get by asking questions (questions are only helpful if you ask the right ones and get the answers you were hoping for)

I can't help you with 'who' to look at though, I don't know any trainers in your area.
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post #3 of 7 Old 06-16-2010, 11:43 AM
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John O'Leary (Horse Problems_Australia_home page.htm) is in your area. I've talked to him a lot by email and use some of his systems. He has video's posted of him retraining a clydes...

However, LastUnicorn is right, you need to see the person work to really know if they are any good.
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post #4 of 7 Old 06-16-2010, 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by ilovemyhorsies View Post
What are some questions I should ask a trainer before deciding to use their services? Etc. Etc.
Price. :) What exactly it includes: boarding? training? if training how many times/hours a week? What kind of boarding (1 horse in paddock, 50 horses in same field?)

Will anyone else work with the horse? That one is VERY important. I took a clinic with the local trainer (I thought about sending my horses to him at some point), and while he was gentle and "on time" with his signals his "certified" assistant was just OMG! She kept smacking and smacking someone's horse absolutely without any "timing", and you could tell she (the assistant) was getting all mad that horse didn't listen to her. And she RIDES AND TRAINS for him when he doesn't have time, or on trip, etc. I'd never NEVER send my horse to her!


Google up the name to see if something come up for the particular person.

Show up couple times to see how the trainer actually works with the horse in training. Also taking a lesson or 2 gives a lot of information on how good and patient the trainer is (although not all trainers give lessons).

Ask for equipment used: if the trainer uses something harsh all the time on all horses in training, hell stay away. I had this experience once too - the trainer I considered was using wire bit on ALL horses in training, no exception, whether they needed it or not. (P.S. I'm not gonna go into discussion about bit is only harsh as hands etc as we had it in different section already).
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post #5 of 7 Old 06-16-2010, 08:18 PM
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Pity I've lost contact with the fantastic lady who helped me with my boy. Carlos Tabernaberri(sure I've got the name wrong but it's close!) is one I'd consider.

I don't want to 'go public', but am PMing you to tell you my experiences of one 'renowned' training establishment just north of Melb. that I wouldn't advise you touch with a 10' pole!
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post #6 of 7 Old 06-17-2010, 09:13 AM Thread Starter
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i contacted Carlos and sent him some photos and details of Mally.
i think he would be a wonderful choice, but i'm a little unsure about his bitless training. would that then mean that mally wouldnt know how to respond to the bit?
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post #7 of 7 Old 06-17-2010, 07:15 PM
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Why not ask him if he will train her with a bit, after the initial work?

As far as I'm concerned, I believe a horse should be trained bitless to begin with - too many potential pain/fear based problems & reactions otherwise. Google Dr Cook bitless & look up some of his articles if you don't know about the not-so-obvious effects of bits. Once the horse is reliably responding to the rein and seat cues, only then do I move on to using a bit if the owner wants to - say for showing or such.

While the feel of a bit is different to a halter/bitless, once the horse has learned how to respond well to seat & reins, it generally takes very little to get them reliable with a bit. If your horse has already been started in a bit, unless she was very badly started(& already has hangups & reactions to a bit), it shouldn't really be an issue. If she does have hangups, it will likely take a bit more effort & time to get her over them & change her attitude about it first - but then, that's more reason IMO for teaching her bitless first.
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