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post #1 of 24 Old 03-01-2011, 05:00 PM Thread Starter
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REALLY NEED HELP. bucking and rearing.

So my friend has a 13.3hh new forest pony mare.
She has had saddle fitted, teeth checked, and has past a 5 stage vetting
she is not in any pain what so ever, yeah she keeps bucking and rearing.

shes worse when hacking out alone, she will randomly stop & when you try to get her to move she will either buck or rear.

today i rode her out with two other people on their horses, we got to the bottom of a hill and we were going to trot, then canter up it. my friend went ahead and started trotting on her horse, but as soon as she did, Fergie leapt like 4 foot in the air, all four hooves off the ground without a warning. she done this twice then tried to bolt, i stopped her and asked my friend to stop, then we continued to walk up the hill. after a few seconds of walking, fergie reared up vertical and almost went over backwards. i decided it was a good idea to get off and walk her at that point because she was getting dangerous and if i had fallen off, we wouldnt be able to catch her again.

in the paddock we use for riding in, she will go along fine for a few minutes, then decide she wants to stop, and again if you try to get her to move she will buck or rear. then she'll start moving again, and stop a few seconds later.

shes been doing this for a few weeks, but the bucking & rearing out on hacks seems to be getting worse and more dangerous.

why is she doing this? can anyone help?

i'll try to get videos of it next time i ride her, just so you can see exactly what she is doing.

she also grunts while shes doing it.
and when i was leading her through the field before i tacked her up, she reared & striked out at me. & after we came back from the ride, we were just stood in the yard, i had taken my feet out the stirrups while i was talking to a friend, and Fergie cow kicked & kicked the back of my foot...

anyway, we really need help with sorting this as my friend is trying to sell her as she cant afford to keep three ponies, and fergie was sold to her as a beginners pony for her son, but she turned out like this..

here are a few pictures of her bucking in the paddock from a few weeks ago..shes gotten worse since..

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Insted of tataly retyping a respons I'm going to copy my respons from a diffrent thread.

[quote] You need to start on the ground in a snaffle bit. Stand by the horses sholder and gently ask for your horses head.If she fights just act like a post. Never pull or jurk on her. At the exat moment she gives you her face release the pressure. In your video she might give but you are not giving back. Horses learn through the release. Do this on both sides. Do it till nither of you can stand it any longer. by that I mean she does it so well that she gets to be automatic with the slightest of pressure.

Once you have worked on that start to work on these exsesizes. You get hip over by asking for her head while walking forward. Her feet should cross. For hips you will go the same with a little bit of pressure to the back.

If practiced every day for about a month you and your horse should have these down pat. Thats when you should move into working on these thing is the saddle. Do not move past the walk untill she is giving to you.

For vertical flextion. Ask with your hand elavated and lightly pull on the reins in an slight upwards motion. Once again don't yank or jerk just be a post. As soon as she gives release the pressure. Eventualy she will hold it there herself. Vertical flextion should be the last thing you work with.

good luck. Please give these a try I promis that you will se a new horse.[\quote]

As soon as she goes to buck or rear these will help you regain contol. As soon as she bucks turn her around(disengage her hind end.)

Hope this helps. :) BTW my mare is very simaler
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Along with the above, I would work on the ground with disengaging the hindquarters. Then practice the neck flexing to get softness at the beginning or every ride and whenever she gets stiff. Then when her feet get sticky and you try to get her to go forward, turn her as you ask for movement. Flex the neck around, disengage her, and move her off. Than way, she is more apt to go forward, not up.

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Originally Posted by franknbeans View Post
Along with the above, I would work on the ground with disengaging the hindquarters. Then practice the neck flexing to get softness at the beginning or every ride and whenever she gets stiff. Then when her feet get sticky and you try to get her to go forward, turn her as you ask for movement. Flex the neck around, disengage her, and move her off. Than way, she is more apt to go forward, not up.
good post. I forgot to mention that.
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I agree with the above posts. Also when Charm bucked I would make her work harder. If a horse has the energy and is healthy and fit enough to buck they have enough energy to canter and do circles, side passes, and the such. My perosnal felocity. Making this horse work hard will get her attention on the rider and doing circles and exercises related to flexing the neck will not allow her to buck and rear as easily.

Rearing I haven't had the joyous chance to correct yet. The horses I have ridden never have reared except for one horse that hopped up once or twice which I took a crop a whacked them one on the shoulder. Don't take this advicce though because I have no experience really with rearers.

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As Clinton Anderson said this weekend after Pat Parelli hit the dirt-when they are very forward, the rarely go up or buck. It is the ones who get stuck you have to worry about. So true. Please watch the video of Pat getting bucked off Saturday at the Road to the horse. He kept the turn and did not disengage. Horse spun faster and faster and then blew. The key for all of them this weekend(Chris Cox, Clinton and Pat Parelli) seemed to be FORWARD. THey may buck, fine, but keep them going forward. If allowed to stop, that is a reward to them. They could only stop when they were told to and when they were moving.

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My last horse would do this, she would go into a very dangerous rodeo ride every time at the canter. She vet checked, saddle and teeth fine.

Is there one gait that she does this at or is it random?

My horse did this every time she cantered, she was out and out dangerous. I spent a year just walking and trotting and gaining respect and response in those gaits, and I still did not break her of it. I ended up giving her away to someone who knew her problems, because she cleared a 5' foot fence while doing this.

I hope that you have more luck than I did. But what I will say with all this negative info, is that it is really important that whoever is riding has a good seat, it totally reinforces it to the horse if they are able to throw the rider. I stayed on through sheer determination and hatred.
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First I would say that what the horse is doing requires a lot of energy. Even really hot horses don't like to buck and rear unless they have a good reason for it in their own head.

So what is the reason for her? Is she a frightened type of horse and being asked to do more than she is comfortable doing? Is she out of shape and being asked to exercise too much? Do her feet hurt? Is she being held back when others are running away from her?

The rearing scenario sounded like it could have happened because she was being held back when others were cantering away. Just from the description that was what I was picturing. In that case it might be better to let her at least trot out rather than trying to hold her back if she is the type of horse that doesn't like to get left behind.
The other thing is, does she really buck or just kick out? In the photos posted it looks more like she is just kicking out with her back legs since her head is never down. That would be what I would consider a tantrum and not related to fear so I would just give her a good smack and get her moving in some form or another so she couldn't avoid the work.
Whoever is riding in the photo has quite looping reins which makes me think someone more experienced with bucking could help the horse a lot more. I would never give a bucking horse (or a kicking out horse) a loose, looping rein.

Sometimes it helps to use a ten-ring martingale to gain control of a horse's head if they have already learned to buck. Make sure the bit is not too much for the horse and causing the horse to explode from too much pressure on her mouth.
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I have a horse that did this though not as bad but is was slowly getting worse he would go forward then just decide he didn't want to do it anymore. The bucks were normally a joyful thing for him but his rearing was to avoid the work. My instructer (because im only a beginner) tried him and when he reared she would lean forward but would give him a good hard kick so he would have to take a step forward. I never actually saw her do this but he seemed to not do it as much with her afterwards. She had to stop though cause she got sick and he came back to me and I can't ride him so I've done whats previously been said with groundwork and its improved him A LOT on the ground but I haven't been game to try him under saddle because I'm not the most confident rider. It has also prevented me from selling. Good luck

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Not looking for an argument here at all but you will notice from the pictures posted that the front feet are planted like a tree and the back end is off the ground.

The term "disengage the hind quarters" is not named correctly because as you ask the rear end to move you are "Engaging" it and that is why I have a problem with the term.

If a horse is rearing they are using their BACK end and if they are bucking they are using their FRONT end for support.

The key to stopping the behavior is to take that balance away from them as horses hate being out of balance.

In many cases horses act out in protest because they are out of balance in a part of their body and are not comfortable and it is an adjustment for them.

You might notice that when a horse is stall kept for an extended time they will run,roll,and buck or rear to "adjust and stretch" their body after standing.
They are trying to put their body back into comfort and balance.

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