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    12-20-2007, 04:44 AM
  #11
Foal
If you teach your horse to rear, then you are creating an extremely dangerous situation. In all likelihood your horse will begin rearing in response to other stimuli. There is absolutely no guarantee that your horse will only rear when asked.
Why not teach your horse to count? To bow? To smile? There is a myriad of safe tricks you can teach your horse that won't threaten your safety, your horse's safety or other's who may come into contact with your horse.
For the good of your horse, I beg you to not teach your horse this dangerous trick. Leave it up to the professionals.
     
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    12-20-2007, 05:22 AM
  #12
Foal
Totally agree with Equisoup!! I personally would never teach my horse to rear. I think only horses used for film/stunt riding should be taught, and only by professionals! It could turn very dangerous!
     
    12-20-2007, 07:03 PM
  #13
Foal
Thats weird. I have never heard of this before. None of my horses rear when they are not supposed to. Horse luver I think if you train the horse properly the horse should be fine.

Bom Sorte!
     
    12-20-2007, 08:24 PM
  #14
Yearling
Barn Sour, do you think that teaching rearing is the best thing to be teaching a three year old horse who is still learning the basics?? I am not saying that I am absolutely correct here, but it just seems like that is not something that you want to teach until you have taught other required skills if at all. As I posted above, asking for a horse to do a spin uses fairly similar cues...so what happens when you ask for a spin and your young feisty horse keeps rearing instead??

I am not saying teaching rearing is an altogether horrible thing...I would not likely personally do it, but it seems it would be better to be taught to more finished horses.

I don't know??
     
    12-20-2007, 08:48 PM
  #15
Foal
You are right, teaching a more...as you say 'finished' horse to rear on command is easier. However teaching younger horses to rear on command is possible and not difficult if you know how to handle your horse.

A spin? Is this a western movement? If it is similar to a pirouette the cammand is not the same to ask the horse to rear, but if the horse were to rear as you were asking for a pirouette or in your case a spin, it is no big deal. You stop the horse, do a working trot around the ring, then attempt the movement again. You must have alot of patience to train horses. Things don't allways go the way they should. But that's the joy of horses.
     
    12-20-2007, 11:44 PM
  #16
Foal
Barn Sour: Sounds like you know much much more than the average person on these boards, which makes you a wonderful resource.

I don't think teaching a horse to rear is a bad thing. I personally wouldn't do it, for fear of my horse moving on to a less experienced owner, I would hate for them to ask for something and have him rear.
BUT if you are experienced with teaching this trick, and you are also experienced enough to be able to fix any problems that this may cause, then I say go for it..
I just worry about the less experienced teaching their horse to rear, finding that they then are unable to control the rearing.

My point is, I think the average joe should not teach their horse this trick as I've heard more stories about it going wrong, not well. If you are as experienced as Barn Sour sounds, then go for it.
Just sit down and think about the positives and negatives whenever you are training your horse something out of the ordinary.

Can I teach my horse to do this correctly, the same way every time, and only when cued? Will I be able to correct any problems that may arise? Can I afford a professional trainer to fix any possible problems that I may teach the horse? What is the horse's future (because you may be able to control the rearing and use it only on cue...but can others??)

I do things for the good of the horse. Not just today, but tomorrow as well. With the high rate of slaughter bound horses, I want to make sure my horse doesn't end up dangerous with someone less experienced.
     
    12-21-2007, 01:45 AM
  #17
Yearling
Barn sour,
I don't doubt that a young horse can learn to rear on command - what I worry about is that it could interfere with the finishing (additional training) of that young horse. In experienced hands, I don't think it would really be much of an issue, but someone with less years starting and finishing horses, might encounter issues they are not prepared to deal with.

When preparing for a spin, the horse should set back on the hind (like in the rear), free up/lighten up/pick up the front (like in a rear), and the rider should take up contact (like in a rear). There are of course many subtle differences in the cues and one major difference - the spin asks for energy in a direction while the rear asks for energy upwards. BUT, do you see what I am trying to get across - that a less experienced rider and green horses may not understand these subtle cue differences, and a wreck, bad habits, scared rider, or scared horse could then follow??

When I was teaching my 5 year old stallion (he is not green when it ocmes to hours, and has a very wide and solid base of training - he is in the refining stage) to do spins, he realized, "she wants my front feet up and moving, so he began to rear up when I cued him for a spin. I worked through it with him in a couple of sessions, but would it have been more confusing for him if he had already been taught to rear?

I think it would be neat to teach him that on command, but I think if I were to do it, I would like him to have all of his skills down very solidly, and be a couple of years more mature first. Even then, what if I geld him one day, and want to have younger kids ride him... would they accidentally cue him to rear and freak out, in turn freaking him out, maybe pull him over backwards?

The barn near us has a horse who knows how to rear, and they were playing around with her, cueing her to rear at a show. A few minutes later they took her into a trail class and couldn't get her to do the back through obstacle because she kept rearing instead. It was obviously mixed communication between horse and rider, and turned out to be really funny (nobody was scared or hurt).

Sorry to blab so much, I am just sharing some thoughts. I don't think I am pro or con rear... I just think on an older horse is better, and taught by an experienced trainer. I also think it has to be the right personality horse, and in a situation where inexperienced riders will not accidentally cue the rear.
     
    12-21-2007, 10:11 AM
  #18
Foal
I see how your veiws are but as I say, you should teach the horse to rear, and then the second step is to teach a cammand.

I ask my older horses to rear by spuring behind the girth and sitting back in the saddle.

However since the must younger horses do not have a certain 'cue' down, then I just do as I have stated before.

When my horses are doing pirouete they are working the mucles at the canter and moving in a circle. Of course I do not teach this to a very young horse becuase it can dammge the tendons, but if Horse Luver is doing how you say 'spins' and the horse is working then you should not have to worry about a rear.

If your horse should rear or do something that you are not asking, do not punnish them becuase they are working for you and it is only unacceptable when they do something such as: Bucking, Biting, and any others in those catagories. You do not punnish you just work them and then once they are working calmly and obediently you attempt the movement again.

Rearing if the horse is not trained to do it first is in those catagories I have stated and they should know it is unacceptable to do this untill they have been trained to do so.

I train my cavalos to do the rear in a very respectful form. The head is tucked in just so, the feet are tucked in, and the back legs are supporting the weight.

AKPaintLover, can you describe to me how the horse preforms a 'spin'? Or is it just a western pirouete?
     
    12-21-2007, 10:17 AM
  #19
Foal
Also EquiSoup I must add, do you know what exsperience Horse Luver has? Does she have her own horses or is she leasing her horse?
     
    12-21-2007, 10:36 AM
  #20
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Originally Posted by Barn Sour
AKPaintLover, can you describe to me how the horse preforms a 'spin'? Or is it just a western pirouete?
It is a bit different. I guess a spin might be considered a pirouete in its most extreme form...but technically, no. See the video for an example.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPrsJwMRIMU
     

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