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    05-16-2011, 02:34 PM
  #1
Weanling
Rearing..

I dunno if I have posted this before but over the past 2 months Lola has been threatening to rear...She has not done it so far but I know she really wants too. It started when I brought her on her first hack..She just lost all patience and was throwing her head around and in the air. Since then she has no patience. She will not stand still when I try to get on, She will not stand still when I have to tighten the girth, And she will not stand still when I ask her too. She then gets really agitated and throws her head in the air trying to rear. She now has started to throw her head in the air while we are moving..Today I rode her and she decided to just stop trotting then started coughing and then up went the head and nearly the feet..I didn't even do anything..Then when I went to squeeze her on she stopped and spun around...So ok I went in the other direction and trotted on again. She didn't throw her head up again but she kept cutting the corners and when I tried to pull her out she tries to spin around and just gets really annoyed and throws her head around.

Ok so some information..

I have not ridden her around other horses for a while..Could she just want to keep up with the other horses? But saying that today I rode her on her own and there were no other horses around.

She had her teeth done abut three weeks ago...While getting them done she was really sensitive on the left side and would not let the dentist near her..Could she have a bad tooth? The dentist did say she seemed sensitive there but she never actually looks at the teeth she only feels them..

Could it be her back? Does anyone have any experience with horses tossing their head and rearing with a sore back?

Is it just her being in season? She was definitely in season today.

And one last thing..I dunno if this will help at all..Anyways she is soooo attached to a gelding she stays with...Like really when I go to get her and bring her in she will not leave him! While she is in the yard she is always calling out to him..When I put her back into the field she neighs like a lunatic when she sees him and he does the same.. Is she just annoyed about being away from him? I know I will not be able to ride her at the same time as him because he used to be a breeding stallion and his owner wants to keep him away from mares during the summer..Should I keep her away from him or what? I know she is a herd leader. When I put her into the field all of the horses gather around her and follow her everywhere. Three days ago a new horse was put into the field and he follows her around since the second he got in..He just chose her..Although she gets a bit annoyed about him following her around XD And I can see it is upsetting her relationship with the other gelding. He doesn't seem to be around her as much since this new gelding came...

So what a nice long story XD

But yeah I will be getting her back checked but I think it is more her mouth =/ Yesterday I was getting help from a trainer to get her soft in the mouth and he started palying with the reins, she dropped her head then he told me to ask her to walk...When I did her head flew up into the air and she backed up with a very loud grunt...
     
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    05-16-2011, 03:03 PM
  #2
Started
Umm, the dentist did not look at her teeth, just felt them and floated them? No sedation? You can't tell if a horse has bad teeth by feeling them, you can feel points and sharp edges, but if you don't look at them, you can't see if one is infected, broken or anything.
Get a better dental done on her, that might help alot
     
    05-16-2011, 03:07 PM
  #3
Weanling
Yep she just felt and floated them..No sedation either but since the dentist could not get near her on that one tooth her ear was twisted and held =( Oh well at least she could move her ear after...A few days later the same dentist was doing another horse and he was rearing so she did the same to his ear and he could not move it after and he kept shaking his head =/

Anyway I do think it is a tooth or something...She was having none of the dentist touching that one tooth and she is a lot harder to work on the left side etc...

I will get a vet or the other dentist available in the town to check her out. Hopefully it is a tooth so it is easily fixed..

But if it is a bad tooth and need to be taken out are they harder to take out than wolf teeth and will she need to be sedated? I would say yes since she could not even get that tooth floated I guess pulling it out would be a lot worse XD
     
    05-16-2011, 03:46 PM
  #4
Yearling
I don't want to be offensive but I would def. Find another dentist. Didn't she use a speculum to prop the mouth open? I would NOT be letting her twitch my horses ear, not only is it painful for them but it can cause long lasting issues with her letting you touch her ears or anywhere near her poll area. It has probably given her a negative association with dental work as well. If you feel a twitch is necessary a nose twitch is better than the ear. She was sensitive so the dentist didn't mess with the left side. Sensitivity would be a huge indicator to me that the left side needs attention.

How old is your mare? I would be spending A LOT of time riding her away from her pasture mate. Being barn/buddy sour is not only a pain and annoying, if let go can cause you or her injury from trying to get back to her buddy. Ride her away from him. DO NOT let her turn back on her own. When you decide to turn back if she speeds up turn her back around again. Don't let her run home.

Being in season will definitely make her a bit more fussy, but not THAT much. It is possible she has a sore back, even if she hasn't done anything that you know of she could have just moved wrong.

I think you're right, the mouth issue seems to be causing quite an issue. If you think about it, depending on what her problem is every time you pick up on the reins you could be causing pain. I would get that seen to asap. However, it also seems like she is being quite a brat all around. If she moves when you try to mount, back her up to where she was in the first place and make her whoa. If she moves again, back her again. Be patient with her, but don't take ANY attitude.

You said it started when you went on your first hack, was this the first EVER or the first of the season?

You said today she tried to rear, you squeezed and she spun, did you go in the direction she wanted to go in? If so, you gave her exactly what she wanted and reinforced her being a brat to get her way.
     
    05-16-2011, 03:51 PM
  #5
Weanling
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Originally Posted by Jacksmama    
I don't want to be offensive but I would def. Find another dentist. Didn't she use a speculum to prop the mouth open? I would NOT be letting her twitch my horses ear, not only is it painful for them but it can cause long lasting issues with her letting you touch her ears or anywhere near her poll area. It has probably given her a negative association with dental work as well. If you feel a twitch is necessary a nose twitch is better than the ear. She was sensitive so the dentist didn't mess with the left side. Sensitivity would be a huge indicator to me that the left side needs attention.

How old is your mare? I would be spending A LOT of time riding her away from her pasture mate. Being barn/buddy sour is not only a pain and annoying, if let go can cause you or her injury from trying to get back to her buddy. Ride her away from him. DO NOT let her turn back on her own. When you decide to turn back if she speeds up turn her back around again. Don't let her run home.

Being in season will definitely make her a bit more fussy, but not THAT much. It is possible she has a sore back, even if she hasn't done anything that you know of she could have just moved wrong.

I think you're right, the mouth issue seems to be causing quite an issue. If you think about it, depending on what her problem is every time you pick up on the reins you could be causing pain. I would get that seen to asap. However, it also seems like she is being quite a brat all around. If she moves when you try to mount, back her up to where she was in the first place and make her whoa. If she moves again, back her again. Be patient with her, but don't take ANY attitude.

You said it started when you went on your first hack, was this the first EVER or the first of the season?

You said today she tried to rear, you squeezed and she spun, did you go in the direction she wanted to go in? If so, you gave her exactly what she wanted and reinforced her being a brat to get her way.
I will get another dentist..But I am friends with a girl who lives with the dentist I got so she might be a little offended XD I will try get her when she is not around!

Yup she used a thing to open her mouth but she never looked in which I thought was strange..She didn't the last time she did her did either. And she did eventually get that tooth floated after a while..

Sorry I have to go I will answer the rest later.
     
    05-16-2011, 03:54 PM
  #6
Super Moderator
Hi Sarah,
You thought of a lot of possibilities and I can see that you are really observant of your horse. I do think the dental was not well done, so that could be a real issue. All of the other things are probably part and parcel with why she is mentally FAR away from her rider while being ridden.

Imagine if you had something you really wanted to do and your parent or antoher person basically was trying to make you do ballet while all you really wanted to do was get back to your project as soon as possible. You'd play along for a bit, then you'd start to complain and then maybe fight back.

I think that Lola is a smart horse with a lot of things drawing her attention. For you to have her attention, you have to be a bigger draw than the gelding she "loves". That is really hard to do, and if you had a round pen, that would be the ideal place to work on getting Lola to change her mental focus to YOU.
It takes being more important than the other things on her mind. More immediate, more HERE! NOW! With ME!

That trainer who was on her, would he/she be available to work with you?

How is your quest to find a new owner for LOLA?
     
    05-16-2011, 05:53 PM
  #7
Weanling
Ok I am back.

Lola is 10.

Yep I think she is being a brat when she walks away while I try to mount!! It is soo annoying! And when I do eventually get my foot in she is walking away before my leg is over! And today was worse because she could see her friend...All of the horses have been moved to a different field so now they are in view while in the arena..She was never so herd bound as now though...

Before I rode her a few horses were going out on a trek. When they left she went crazy! She was spinning in the stall and trying to run through the chain..And she must have pooped 5 times in two minutes...It was odd!

It was her first hack since I bought her. I don't know if she has been on one before but supposedly she was a lead trek horse.

And yes I did go in the way she turned..Partly because I did not want her getting annoyed and rearing..I am still pretty sensitive on her..I know I let her away with it but straight away I kicked her on to trot and made her work and then changed direction a few minutes later.

Unfortunately we do not have round pens. They would be very handy though!!

Sometimes she listens to me but the slightest thing will catch her attention. And she nearly always looks angry especially when I kick her on when she decides to slow down.

I am trying to do a few different things to keep her thinking about them and not the horses in the field...She is a tough horse to get thinking!

Yes he said he would help me with her =D He is really nice so I am happy about that. And he knows how to get a horse to relax and focus etc. Yesterday he was helping me..When I first got on her she was tense and not listening and she was carrying her head high..By the end of it he told me she looked like a different horse even though I may not have felt it..So she has the potential to listen and relax..

Another thing about her teeth...While she was getting left side floated she was backing up and attempting to rear just like she does when I ride her..So I am still thinking there is something wrong with a tooth in there. But the good thing is she has still not reared..Maybe she really does have a heart and does not want to hurt anyone XD I have seen horses who are thinking of rearing that will rear without a second thought...At least she is a little kinder. I guess that is a good thing.

Nobody really interested in her yet. I am not surprised XD But I got an earful for trying to sell her so I have to keep working with her =P
     
    05-16-2011, 09:56 PM
  #8
Foal
[QUOTE=Sarahandlola;1036714]

Okay, here's my 2 cents:

"Yep I think she is being a brat when she walks away while I try to mount!! It is soo annoying! And when I do eventually get my foot in she is walking away before my leg is over!"

If I were you, I would go back to here and start. She needs to stand still while you mount and not move off until you tell her to. You may need to enlist the help of someone to hold her for a few times. When she starts to walk off while you're mounting, you're starting the ride/work with her already not listening to you. This something I work on with my young horses until they do it automatically.

"And today was worse because she could see her friend...All of the horses have been moved to a different field so now they are in view while in the arena..She was never so herd bound as now though..."

What I do in this situation is take her near her buddies with a lunge line. Lunge her for a good 5 - 10 minutes with them in sight. Then walk her away and let her graze out of sight of her buddies. Do this a few times, and she'll start to realize she doesn't have to work as hard when they're not around. I've used this technique on some very buddy sour horses, and it usually only takes a few of these sessions.
     
    05-17-2011, 05:59 AM
  #9
Weanling
Yes I have been thinking of making her move when she does move while I get on. I have never had the time but today I will...Could I maybe lunge her like straight away? Would that work...I could have the lunge rope attached to her already..

I have been getting her to stand beside the mounting block when I lunge her etc but she is too clever! She will stand there perfectly still and then when I put a foot on the box she is off...
     
    05-17-2011, 06:03 PM
  #10
Foal
Instead of lunging her, I would just make her back up. It's quicker, and she'll put two and two together faster. If she moves, jump off the mounting block in front of her and make her back up four or five steps. Give her a minute to stand quietly and walk her up to the mounting block. If she moves when you start to mount again, back her up again. Do it until she she stops moving. Once she stand quietly while you mount, don't let her walk off until you TELL her to. If she tries to walk off, check your reins, make her whoa, and make her stand there a minute quietly before you tell her to walk on.
     

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