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        06-15-2011, 10:13 AM
      #21
    Showing
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    Originally Posted by Golden Horse    
    I think that trick should be buried in a box marked ways to get yourself killed
    True. You can make situation WAY worse by doing the egg (balloon, whatever) thing. Horse is already too excited/afraid of, adding extra on top of it may cause it to flip over or bolt (and hurt both - self and rider).
         
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        06-15-2011, 10:36 AM
      #22
    Trained
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    Originally Posted by Valentina    
    If pain is not a factor rearing is caused by the rider taking rein to correct an issue (rushing) rather than pushing horse forward and getting them connected over their back.

    To help stop rearing - when horse hesitates (i.e. Has not yet stopped) push horse forward energetically.

    If horse is relatively stationary and fighting rider be certain to keep hind legs crossing over each other - hard for horse to rear if their legs are crossed.

    I have a question about this. My gelding rears when I correct his rushing/bolting by taking rein. I'm a little confused as to what I should do about this from your post. Are you suggesting that I push him forward to stop the rear? But doesn't that enforce the bolt/rushing? Just trying to wrap my head around it. Usually I try to disengage his hindquarters and ask him to work to get his mind back on me. Thanks!
         
        06-15-2011, 11:00 AM
      #23
    Green Broke
    If a horse is bent, it won't rear, from my experience. Circles do a lot, and that's what fixed Dude (for me, no one else rides him, so I can't say he won't for anyone else). If the horse won't move out on cue/by persuasion from a whip/crop, even flexing their neck will work.
    As to above post, pushing your horse forward on cue should not enforce bolting/rushing. He should be listening to a cue, and that should be all. A nice working trot is usually enough, (and from what I feel/understand) that is not bolting and will most likely not be considered so to a horse. Of course you can cue for a canter, but it's still a cue, and the horse should understand that if it's been trained at all half decently.

    Also..tie-downs..I wouldn't even thunk twice about putting one on a rearer. It will not fix the problem, the horse will only learnt brace against it and use it to balance itself when he rears (happened before I was training with Dude and only riding him, BO put it on him). Dude usually only did half rears without the threat of going over, after riding him in the tie-down he would go straight up with threat of flipping over if I couldn't catch it in time/ didn't feel him tense. I backed him two steps, he wouldn't stop, I tried kicking him forward and missed the time frame to spin him and he went straight up and almost dumped me into the burn pile. I can't say it was for sure because of the tie-down, but I would definitely advise against adding something else to the horse. Going back to basics works soo much better, imo.
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        06-15-2011, 11:51 AM
      #24
    Trained
    So with a horse that tends to rush towards home or another horse on the trail I should encourage him to move forward at a trot (to prevent the rear) instead of requiring he listen to me and walk calmly forward? I understand how that prevents the rear (obviously) but what does that do to take care of the not walking calmly when I request it? Am I not further enforcing his desire to go fast on the way home or towards another horse? Or is it not enforcing it because I'm telling him to go faster? Not trying to argue, just making sure I'm understanding what you're saying before I attempt it.

    I've been asking him to circle when he wants to rush and that definitely helps (at least when we're out alone) the trouble comes when you're in an area where a circle really isn't a viable option. Also this isn't a horse that rears on property or in the arena or pasture/paddock, he rears when we're on the trail.

    Again just curious, I've mostly gotten rid of it, but there are instances where he gets really worked up and still rears.
         
        06-15-2011, 12:15 PM
      #25
    Green Broke
    Well..the rushing toward the barn/horse changes it a bit (didn't know), if he understands cues, it shouldn't really..enforce it, though he may anticipate it..Which then again, basically means the same in a horse's mind..
    All the trails I ride on are atleast wide enough to spin any horse I'm riding, so spinning versus circling would most likely get the same reaction (unless he's a crazy horse that was tribes to take off after a tight circle for barrels, aka the current horse I'm riding). Lucky doesn't rear, so I'm willing to back her until she decides walking forward calmly is the better of the two, but I wouldn't suggest that if the horse rears. Spins worked with Dude (he use to rear in barn, in field, in arena, on trail, etc), and backing has been working with Lucky so far.

    But..with Dude, forcing him forward calmly, but purposefully worked (he also use to like rushing back to the barn) to stop his rearing and he started to go off my cues instead of just trying to rush anywhere because he figured out it was easier than getting there (at whoever's pace), and working harder than he was on the trail (we have slightly advanced trails that aren't necessarily for beginners). He started to rather be out away from the barn/arena than go back to it rushing. If he didn't rush/rear/buck/toss his head/act up he would to straight to the barn and get untacked, if he did-he got his ass worked off for an extra half hour at least.
    Lucky is a lot different and I'm pretty sure she prefers working hard around the barn than being out on trails..I have yet to figure out how to completely calm her down, though she is much better so far with the backing/spinning/circling. I just gotta work on the kicking when excited now :p lol

    I think I rambled..actually, lol. I hope I clarified a bit? I'm still half asleep, I apologise.
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        06-15-2011, 12:22 PM
      #26
    Foal
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by MN Tigerstripes    
    So with a horse that tends to rush towards home or another horse on the trail I should encourage him to move forward at a trot (to prevent the rear) instead of requiring he listen to me and walk calmly forward? I understand how that prevents the rear (obviously) but what does that do to take care of the not walking calmly when I request it? Am I not further enforcing his desire to go fast on the way home or towards another horse? Or is it not enforcing it because I'm telling him to go faster? Not trying to argue, just making sure I'm understanding what you're saying before I attempt it.

    I've been asking him to circle when he wants to rush and that definitely helps (at least when we're out alone) the trouble comes when you're in an area where a circle really isn't a viable option. Also this isn't a horse that rears on property or in the arena or pasture/paddock, he rears when we're on the trail.

    Again just curious, I've mostly gotten rid of it, but there are instances where he gets really worked up and still rears.

    Can you give an example of an area where a circle isn't a viable option and why you would take the horse there while you still have this problem? If at all possible I would avoid riding in an area that I knew I wouldn't be able to correct the horse if he did something needing correcting.

    At first I read area as arena and was trying to figure out why you couldn't circle in an arena!
         
        06-15-2011, 12:22 PM
      #27
    Trained
    The trails are wide enough to circle so that's what I've been doing. Seems like that's about the same thing you do too, so I'll just keep working on it. Next to the highway it's hairy, but we're doing pretty good. Our last ride was awesome until the last 1/2 mile, he threw a tantrum, reared and was a complete nut the rest of the way home. :roll: **** horse is lucky I enjoy most of our rides.

    ETA - There are plenty of trails were a circle really isn't a viable option due to drop offs or forested area or even traffic going by. Sure I could spend the rest of my life riding him only on my little 10 acre property and never ever take him off, but he's never going to get any better off propery unless I get him OFF property and deal with these issues there. The issues don't present on property.
         
        06-15-2011, 12:25 PM
      #28
    Foal
    Sorry...when you say circling I think I picture spinning the horse. I do tight circles which I guess could be sort of considered spinning?
         
        06-15-2011, 12:28 PM
      #29
    Green Broke
    Another thing I like to do is turn them around and stop going home. :p
    Of course, you have to set aside enough time for this..If I plan on doing this and they're in a mood where it's almost obvious they're going to act up, I cut the trail ride/ride short and keep doing this. If they can walk the opposite way a minute or two, we'll turn around and see if they can do it on the way back, if not, they get spun back around and back-track even farther away from the barn. They usually get it within a few times, but I can imagine trying to do this with Lucky for an hour, lol. She's just like me, and I can't make her do anything without a fit. She's perfectly fine and compliant if I ask and talk to her though. :p
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        06-15-2011, 12:30 PM
      #30
    Trained
    I've do that a lot too. Usually by the end of the summer the problem is pretty much cured. Unfortunately it comes back each spring because I am iced in on property. :(
         

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