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        06-21-2011, 07:17 PM
      #11
    Showing
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    Originally Posted by Northern    
    Horses don't understand punishment, but instead will think that you've gone predator/want to kill them, if you start striking them as punishment!
    I have to disagree with it. My mares always know when they do something wrong by the tone of my voice.

    OP, rearing means her feet are stuck. Just keep her moving forward, don't let her stop/think/rear. Or move her hinds around - it'll keep her focused on work + it's hard to rear while moving butt around.

    And welcome to the Forum!
         
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        06-21-2011, 07:42 PM
      #12
    Weanling
    She is going to be a work in progress her breeder did her no justice in allowing her to become so wild He thought I was impressed by her color and attitude and I said no I am impressed by her conformation and breeding I am in this for the long haul I have big plans for her and I am as stubborn as she is I don't quit. Thank's for the responses. I know I'm not as strong as she is one on one but if I pull her off balance I can get the leverage I need to show her I can control your feet I'm not doing it to beat on her face I am doing it to make her safe to be around.
         
        06-21-2011, 08:20 PM
      #13
    Trained
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    Originally Posted by kitten_Val    
    I have to disagree with it. My mares always know when they do something wrong by the tone of my voice.

    OP, rearing means her feet are stuck. Just keep her moving forward, don't let her stop/think/rear. Or move her hinds around - it'll keep her focused on work + it's hard to rear while moving butt around.

    And welcome to the Forum!
    Totally agree Kitten. I will also say that just the fact that she knows you can make her move her feet it a HUGE step in the right direction. If she even THINKS about being bad...move those feet. She wil catch on quickly.

    There are MANY NH people, pretty much all have something to offer, many are basically the same techniques, but the best of them are just good basic horseman with or without the "natural". All of them can help you put more "tools" in your tool box to use as needed.
         
        06-23-2011, 12:36 AM
      #14
    Trained
    I agree horses know what punishment is. You see it in the way they interact with each other. You see it in the way they will interact with a human who is their leader.

    As to the rearing. Like others have said keep the horse moving and working if they are moving they can not rear. Make them think that everything they are doing is your idea. Even if it may not have been make them think that it is/was.
         
        06-23-2011, 02:23 AM
      #15
    Trained
    Rearing...I only had one horse try it on me, while I was on the ground. I moved to the side, turning her head and that gave her incentive to move her feet. Just one data point, so it doesn't mean much.

    Punishment: I am absolutely certain my mare will punish my gelding (or my other mare, when we had 3 horses). She didn't try to be their friend. She will bite or kick if they don't respond immediately to flattened ears.

    However, she is fair, so both of the other horses 'liked' her. Maybe not like in the human sense, but they wanted to be near her any time they became scared or worried.

    My horses not only understand punishment, but they have no respect for anyone who won't dish some out if they are being bad.

    Short rant: there is a difference between being bad, and doing something bad because they don't know better. For the former, they expect punishment. For the latter, punishment may or may not work, depending on the wrong behavior and punishment. On the whole, I get my best results from applying pressure for incorrect behavior, and punishment for deliberate bad behavior.

    Based on a whopping 3 horses, so take it for what it is worth.
         
        06-23-2011, 08:19 AM
      #16
    Trained
    Punishment can work -but has to be done WHILE the negative response action is occurring, in this case rearing. If the punishment is given AFTER the action, the horse will not connect the punishment with their action, and will probably repeat the action out of confusion and fear.
    This is like people withholding food from their horse before it bucked them off while riding that day. I've heard a case of a 'big name' dressage rider in my state, 'punishing' her stallion at a competition once when he was not 'soft enough' in his test, by putting him in his yard, and strapping his chin fully to his chest for over 40 minutes to 'teach the ******* to be soft'.
    The horse has absolutely no idea that they are being punished for bucking earlier that day, or for being stiff under saddle.


    I won't comment on the rearing, as I personally hold absolute detest for rearers and will not take one on. I'd rather spend money on a genuine horse than one that has learned to use rearing as an evasion. I don't fancy being flipped on.
         

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