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  • How to use a chifney and a shank chain
  • Which bits cause rearing.

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    01-01-2013, 03:05 PM
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This is the Chifney bit,
As said, it is not for riding but for leading a difficult horse.

A horse rears for many reasons. One can be to frighten the rider, to evade work, fear, bad hands or pain.

I have never known this bit to stop a horse rearing.
One of the worse accidents I witnessed was when some idiot of a girl had a Chifney in her horses mouth and attached a martingale to the lead ring. The horse reared, felt the pressure on the lower jaw and fought against it going over on top of the rider.
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    01-01-2013, 06:37 PM
  #12
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She wants to use the rearing bit for riding, I think it would cause her more problems then good.
     
    01-01-2013, 07:46 PM
  #13
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Originally Posted by Foxhunter    


This is the Chifney bit,
As said, it is not for riding but for leading a difficult horse.

A horse rears for many reasons. One can be to frighten the rider, to evade work, fear, bad hands or pain.

I have never known this bit to stop a horse rearing.
One of the worse accidents I witnessed was when some idiot of a girl had a Chifney in her horses mouth and attached a martingale to the lead ring. The horse reared, felt the pressure on the lower jaw and fought against it going over on top of the rider.
That is one of the stupidest things I've ever heard someone do! What on earth!!
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    01-01-2013, 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Foxhunter    


This is the Chifney bit,
As said, it is not for riding but for leading a difficult horse.

A horse rears for many reasons. One can be to frighten the rider, to evade work, fear, bad hands or pain.

I have never known this bit to stop a horse rearing.

How does it even work?
     
    01-01-2013, 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted by TheAQHAGirl    
No bit can prevent rearing. IMO the harsher the bit the more likely a horse is to rear.

Bits do not train horses, people train horses.

For some reason people don't get that. I wouldn't use that on a horse if it were me, I would be looking for the symptoms of why the horse rears before I would do any of that stuff. Is your friend sure the horse isn't in pain, etc.?
If only we had a "bowing down" or "all hail" smiley to use here....
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    01-01-2013, 07:54 PM
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If only we had a "bowing down" or "all hail" smiley to use here....
we have

     
    01-02-2013, 08:07 AM
  #17
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Originally Posted by Tayla101    
How does it even work?
By the design you can see that it is not a bit for riding in.
The two side rings are fixed to the cheek pieces and a lead rope is attached to the back ring.

Te action is that when the horse rears you put pressure on the lower jaw and the tongue. The tongue will get more pressure the harder the lead is pulled because of the shape of the mouth piece.

I hate the bits with a passion because I have seen them misused so many times and have experienced the damage that can be done with them.
Also, in my experience, if a horse rears and you exert pressure on the head then they will lean against that pressure and go higher.
On more than one occasion with stroppy colts that think it is fun to rear, I have pulled on them so they do go higher and then, when at the apex of their rear I have relaxed the rope thus making them fall over (always in a deep litter barn) it often frightens them out of standing up again.
     
    01-02-2013, 08:43 AM
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It is simply attached to a flat leather halter with snaps. The lead-shank goes through the bottom ring of the halter and the bottom ring of the bit. They are very commonly used in the racing industry where the horses are so fed up to such a 'high' and goofy state that it is not just a matter of 'manners'. The last thing you want to do with the young horses that these are usually used on is longe them in circles when they are only high as a kite. People feed them up to be crazy and then cuss them because they are.

I used to get in some of these long yearlings that came from the big TB sales. I had to 'let them down' just like a horse coming off of the race track before I could start them under saddle. Until they started to come down, you could not handle them at all with out a Chifney bit or a chain shank. They would come out of a stall and their feet barely touched the ground. They were snorting fire like dragons. Once they came down a little, they trained just like any other horse, but not before.

The Chifney bit I had (and the others that I had seen) were thicker than this one and were straight across on the straight side and did not have the bow in it that pushes down on the tongue. I do not like the design of the one shown.

I cannot even imagine trying to ride in one. That is certainly not what they are designed for.
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    01-02-2013, 08:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Tayla101    
My friend recently told me that she's buying a rearing bit for her standie mare who has started rearing I've seen this mare and although she is far from being bombproof at times she isn't a bad horse, she just isn't the sort of horse you can leave untouched for 3 weeks.

Anyway, my point is how does a bit prevent rearing? Is this bit just a gimmick?

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    01-02-2013, 09:06 AM
  #20
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Equipment like that doesn't do anything but put a bandaid on a gaping wound. Rearing is a refusal to move forward. My suggestion is check the saddle and bit to make sure it isn't creating pain in the back or mouth. If a horse cannot avoid bit pain, it's only option is to go up.

Begin with longe work and get the horse moving forward, forward, forward. Change up the routine and let it use its mind. Several serpentines with circles and change of direction keep the horse's mind active.

Finally, if this had now become learned behavior you're going to require professional help. If a situation like this continues, the horse is ruined and becomes a danger.
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