Originally Posted by JustDressageIt View Post
I consider a horse that you cannot ask to back up without it rearing a dangerous horse, and one I would want re-trained by a professional pronto. A horse that cannot back is... well... not very useful.
Jumping is NOT dangerous. The horse can't jump without a fence in front of it. The horse usually doesn't jump to get out of work. Once a horse figures out that rearing scares riders and rearing = less work, they latch on to that pretty **** quick.
If a horse jumped a jump to .. uh.. get out of work, I would snatch that horse up in a second.
I don't understand how you can compare jumping to rearing. One is an undesired dangerous habit, NOT a discipline, and the other is a desired discipline.
Rearing, especially one that's been taught with an improper cue, is very VERY hard to un-train. It CAN and DOES become dangerous, I don't care who you are.
By the average Joe, I mean most riders on this board. They can w/t/c and jump little fences safely, it's not like they're super green. But ask them to teach a horse to rear and chances are they'd do it wrong. 99% of people on this board would say "pull back on the reins and kick." And you're right, if you're strong enough in your hands to annoy the horse enough to rear, then you've done it.
Many people don't know how to cue it any other way.
Zab, how did you train it? What is your cue? Has your horse EVER used the rear when you don't want him to?
It wasn't a successful training to that hore no, since it couldn'rt bavck. But it was never dangerous. (It never, ever reared hiigh to even be the least dangerous for one, and it didn't rear at all when the kids tried to make it rear 'to be cool'. It was a stubborn horse and needed really strong cues to do it, she just stood still if you asked her to back.)
Jumping isn't undangerous, and rearing can be desired or else people wouldnä't teach it. Some diciplines, like academic dressage, does have rearing included, along with lots of way more dangerous moves. Circus acts have rearing horses etc. Point is, lots of people do teach their horses to rear and never have a problem with it. The people having problems with it are the ones who doesn't know how to do it correctly. Which is partly because it's so ''forbidden'' and impossible to get good information about.
Most people on this board is super green - when it comes to rearing. What they know about other things doesn't really matter.
I never taught Crow to rear from the saddle, because I realized I didn't have a safe enough cue and I have more things to work on first. I have however ridden other horses that was trained - I'm not sure exactly how, but from the ground first and in a dressage-manner of levade-ish rearing- and they did it usually by squeesing the legs, tip your pelvis, lift the rein a little and give the command with voice and/or leg.
I have however taught Crow to rear from the ground, the cue is to raise my arms in the air and say ''up'' sharply. He has never reared on me when leading him or in other circumstanses, no matter the situation. He has however reared as a protest/question during riding when he was still very green, but not in the same manner as when asked from the ground and I am positive that those two times had nothing to do with his rearing-from-ground training. The situations wasn't alike, and he has never done it as a protest otherwise. And well. It's just not the sae thing. Except those two times, he has never done it when not asked.