Originally Posted by starlinestables
I have a horse that could rear on command but I discontinued it because he did try to do it all the time...
Heres my argument on why you shouldn't.... There are many other parlor tricks you can teach your horse that are alot more impressive and alot safer and some are even useful like the bow or lay down (cause then you can mount bareback really easily) my horse bows, walks on his knees, lays down rolls over, I can sit on his tummy and pedal his legs.. He can sit, turn around on a sit, salute at a sit, pick pocket, yes, no, kisses, blow his nose in a hankie.. ect.
The second reason... horse people like me will look at you and think your an idiot who is going to hurt someone or kill themselves. (I really do mean this in the nicest way possible.) To me its kind of like looking at someone who is riding with their heels up, hunched over and flapping their elbows like a chicken saying giddy up or yeehaw... Its just silly and ineffective.
Good for me that I don't care about what ''horse people like you'' think :P
You think the same way about the stallions in the spanish ridingschool?
How do you know I'm not teaching him those too? And that argument is a variation of ''there is no reason to..'' But face it, in photography (yes, I enjoy to take photos, and set up photos, especially fantasy and medieval-ish) it's much more impressive nd powerful with a rearing horse than a bowing one. A bowing one can of course be nice with a far lady on it's back.. but I'm no fair lady.. :P And frankly.. I don't care about those other things.
''kissing'' horses can accidentally bite your lip off, horse that learns to shake hoof or nod often manage to kick or knock people. I know several examples. And what if the sitting horse suddenly sits down on the lesson? Or worse.. sits down ona small kid? :O If your horse does pretty much anything constantly against your will, you have a training problem.
I rode a horse taught to lie down.. he lied down with a rider and all as soon as he got bored. Broke a leg of one f the kids on my lesson. So don't claim those things, or anything else, to be safer... it's all about how you teach them.
If you teach a horse to rear, you just have to make sure he doesnt confuse the cues, or associates rearing with stress. Most ''ordinary'' people who teaches there horses to rear, does it by either a ''pulling and kicking''-type method, uses the same cues for backing or take the chance when the horse is stressed. Is it strange that those horses rears in pressed situations?
The other tpe of ''ordinary'' riders that teach their horses to rear, does it by the trick training method where you only tell the horse when it's good. That's equally wrong, because they arn't consistent with telling the horse off for doing it when t shouldn't. -how can the horse knw thatit's not a good thing to do all the time?
And some are just inconsistent in all.
My horse is far from a mean one, he never protests, he gets confused at times and he's much forward. But he doesn't fight the rider, he always tries to do what's asked of him. If I make sure he knows wen to rear and when not to, why on earth should he suddenly start rearing when he's not supposed to? Because he think it's fun? He doesn't think it's fun to gt told off. Because he gets scared? Why would he be more eager to rear when he's scared after he got a cue for it than before? He'd run at the most.
He has reared pretty high with a rider before (in a controlled but not-allowed way..:P), when he got confused in the start, so he knows very well how to rear. He hasnt done it since and all it took to stop him was a firm no and command forward.
I know people who has taught rearing horses a command for their bad habit, and that way made them quit rearing. Just like you can teach a barking dog ''bark'' to at the same time teach it ''quiet''.
I know my horse, I'm sure of my method, and horse people ''like you'' need to learn that there is nothing wrong you can teach a horse, you can just teach it the wrong way. I have friends with rearing horses that can rear, and back and stay, and be ridden without saddle or bridle, that doesn't rear all the time.
An if, just f, I get a problem with him not being able to tell the differenses, I'll train him out of it. If I fail, I have a skilled trainer by my side who can help me. But I really don't think any of that will be necessary.
And of course, if Ill ever sell that horse, which I doubt since I for one plan to keep him the rest of his life
, and two won't sell a horse that got about 80% chance to end up tortured to death because of his breed. (Illegal slaughter transports, most standies ends up there even if the first seller are very careful on who they sell to. I rather put him down humanely. But I won't, since I'll keep him the rest of his life, if there's a will there's a way.
I'll come back when he knows the trick and I don't have a problem with it :P