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    05-08-2007, 12:43 AM
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Foal
Rearing? Parelli?

So if you've been reading my posts you will know that I have had my horse Rusty for a little over two months and that at first I was fearful to even lead him out of his pasture. Then I was able to walk him around the yard. Then a friend of mine helped me to be able to trot and even canter him around the property! That was going good for a little bit, then he bucked me off going down a trail. (No other horses, I have to ride alone) So that bucking off set me back, but my friend helped to build confidence in me and the very next day we trailered out to a horse park and went on a multi-hour trail ride. It was fun and I was nervous, but my friend got on him and as soon as I see someone else on him doing trots and canters, then I feel much better about it and with her encouragement I was able to do it as well. I HATE riding by myelf. A lot of the times I am the only one at home and it's the only time I have where I have a couple of hours to work with my horse. So not only is someone not riding with me, no one is home to boot!!! It really scares me, not so much that I could get hurt, but if I fall off my horse will run away (he's done it twice) And I live around busy roads and there's no fences to keep him in. He always wants to run like three streets down where some other horses are. He doesnt have any pasture buddies right now. I can't afford another horse at the moment. So I was lunging him the other day and he HATES going clockwise and HATES even more when I ask him to canter clockwise. He just wont do it no matter how small I make the circle or how hard I crack the whip, even giving him a pop on the butt DOES NOT WORK! He just wont canter and then he gets upset and the other day he REARED!!! I was not riding him of course, but I couldnt believe it. I have heard too many stories about how people get messed up on rearing horses. Granted, I was not on rusty at this time, but what if he decides to do it when I am riding him. There's no way he could right himself and he'd go over on top of me! Should I be afraid that he'd rear with me in the saddle? He started bucking on the lunge and everyone said oh its ok to buck on the lunge and tha the knows the difference between the lunge and when I am in the saddle and low and behold he bucks me out of the saddle. Now he reared on the lunge, should I expect him to rear with me in the saddle? I have been reading and I know I need to make lunging interesting for him, but how in the world do you make lunging interesting. There is only ONE spot on my property with a big enough space to get a good circle out of, it's all trees. I don't know what else to do to keep him from getting bored. And I absolutely WILL NOT tolerate a rearer, bucking i'd rather not have, but that's not nearly as bad as rearing. Any advice?

     
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    05-08-2007, 05:34 PM
  #2
Foal
It's hard to give advice withough actually witnessing the event, but it sounds like he was rearing out of frustration. If he has a really hard time lunging clockwise, he needs to start really slow that direction. Let him get really comfortable at a walk first. Then a trot and then a canter. The process could take days or weeks depending on how much work he needs that direction. Always end with him going counterclockwise so he can build his confidence (and yours). It sounds like the two of you are making progress. Keep working at it!
     
    05-09-2007, 02:28 AM
  #3
Green Broke
Hi,
Sounds like your not having the best of times with your boy. There's nothing worse than rearing.
Have you had his back and teeth checked, just to rule those out?
Reason I ask is, I had a thoroughbred that was similar to your boy, both hacking alone and lungeing. It turned out that he had a sore poll/neck area. Although he is probably napping whilst hacking alone, it might explain the lungeing issue, if he is sore or in discomfort anywhere. Might be worthwhile to just get him checked out.
     
    05-09-2007, 02:23 PM
  #4
Showing
May be he's spoiled too and doesn't want to do what he doesn't like. But I agree, try to start him really slow for 10-15 mins every day. Eventually he'll understand there is no escape from that.
Rearing is bad though. I had one who did that just because (he had strong mental issues, unfortunately, after beating in head by previous owner).
     
    05-09-2007, 07:38 PM
  #5
Foal
I agree w/ meggymoo definetly

Horses aren't mean in nature. There's usually an underlying reason they don't want to do something. He could have either pulled a muscle that makes it uncomfortable, maybe in his left shoulder of leg since cantering counter clockwise would put more stress on it. Lunging is hard on the legs after awhile (even tho I am a big believer in lunging don't get me wrong!), so I would definetly get him checked with the vet. Also, check all your tack, expecially the saddle to make sure it fits. And check with the chiropracter to assess the back/ shoulders or whatever else.

Rearing is no fun, my friend's horse had a rearing problem, it turned out she pulled a muscle in her back in turn out and the saddle didn't fit too well and was putting more pressue on the area she pulled. After some tlc and bute she is going great again!

Hope it all works out!
     
    05-12-2007, 12:58 AM
  #6
Foal
Hey thanks everyone!

Hey thanks for all your advice. Actually he did have an injury to his right back leg, below the fetlock about a month ago. Which would be the inside leg when he is going clockwise. When I first got him, he lunged good. He'd walk and trot when I asked him, lazy for the canter, but I'd rather have a lazy horse than a rearing one! He got his foot caught in a cable and it cut/burned about one inch deep into the back/under his fetlock. It is just a little cut now, but his whole leg was swollen for a few days and the vet looked at it and everything and gave me some stuff and bute and all that. I have been riding him for like 3 or more weeks since then, but I am not quite sure if he started acting up after or before the injury. No... I am pretty sure it was after... Could that have something to do with it? The vet said he'd be fine to start riding again and he isn't lame trotting out or anything. I think that when I first got him, he didnt test me, then he tried the whole 'i am just going to stand here and not move, no matter how much you whack the whip behind me' thing and that didnt work for him, then he tried the 'i am going to be a whacked out bucking bronc horse on the lunge' thing and I worked him passed that and kept him moving. Now its the 'I am a terrifying rearing horse and you will NOT make me do something that I don't want to do!' And frankly, it scares me to DEATH when he rears and strikes out at me like that. It is SOO scarey. I had a friend of mine come out and lunge him for me today and he was rearing and bucking, but she didnt let him stop working just because he was throwing a fit, she kept him moving and eventually he stopped rearing and bucking and all he did was face in on the circle, which, when he does it, is an act of defiance. I am just kinda lost and really afraid of him. I am absolutely TERRIFIED that he'll rear when I am on him. And he doesnt just 'little rear' he almost flipped himself over backwards today. *sighs* Just don't know what to do....
     
    05-12-2007, 02:24 AM
  #7
Green Broke
Oh dear. Your not having a good time are you. :(

I would really recommend getting either your vet or a Physiotherapist out to check him over. If he wasn't like it before, then it must be something underlying, like a strain, sore muscle, or something linked to his injury. He definaltley doesn't sound like a happy boy.
I'd personally lay off the work for now, until you've ruled pain/discomfort out. If he's given the all clear, and it does turn out to be behavioural. I'd suggest getting a trainer, who can help you gain confidence, and get him working forward.

Keep us posted, and I hope you're both ok.
     
    05-12-2007, 11:26 AM
  #8
Foal
John Lyons Trainer and Parelli Level One

Alright, So, I have a John Lyons trained horse trainer comming out to my place on Saturday to observe me working with Rusty and then she'll work with him herself. She'll assess the situation, tell me what I am doing wrong or what I NEED to be doing or doing diferently. She's comming out next week. I'll see how that goes and see if she can get any improvement out of him and if not then I'll be getting a vet or someone out to check him over to make sure his attitude isn't injury or pain related. I am just really hoping that we can get to the source of these problems sometime soon. Its really frustrating to not know WHY your horse is doing something. I ordered the parelli level one kit so I'll be starting that with him soon. I am just hoping to communicate with him better. What does everyone think of John Lyons and Parelli? I know a little more about parelli just because I have been researching and asking questions before I went and bought the level one package. I don't really know a whole lot about John Lyons methods. What can people tell me about them and do you think getting a trainer out to assess my horse is a good idea?
     
    05-12-2007, 11:49 AM
  #9
Foal
Injury pics

I figured I would put some pics up of his injury so then someone might be able to help me understand if this might actually STILL be hurting him even though it happened over a month ago and the wound is now a small nearly healed mark. Ok here they are!


     
    05-12-2007, 04:43 PM
  #10
Foal
That is still going to be sore. Some horses ignore mild soreness, other's... Well, they don't ignore anything! I would go easy clockwise until that heals, or he tells you it doesn't bother any more. Walking is ok, and if he is ok with trotting, then you could do some, not much though, and I wouldn't do anything faster. I started out with John Lyons, and I really like it.

For rearing, you can use a tie-down. I do when I'm training. If I am going to be trail riding alone, I also use it as Christy will rear occasionally. She is NOT allowed to rear or buck at any time when I am with her. If I am outside the corral, fine, otherwise no way. That includes on the lunge, free lunge or rope lunge. Way too dangerous. Even if she is just being happy, she needs to learn that this is NOT the place or the time to do that!

How I handle her depends on whether I know why she is rearing or bucking. If it is "joy of life" then I stop her, then start her agin along with "Ahrrrr!" And a "NO." If she is being bossy/challenging then I make her work harder. If I'm not sure, I go with the later.

When riding, if I can I will sit out the buck and turn her in tight circles. She doesn't push out, she only gets worse if you try. So, circle! For rearing, I try to pull her out of it, then get off and circle. Or jump off ASAP. She has broken my nose rearing up and hitting me in the face. With the tie-down she can't rear as well, and can't hit me in the face, so I have more control. I use a rope halter under her bridle, and attach the tie-down to the halter. I also have a 12 ft. Line on the halter, so when I get off, I have 12 ft. To move her in, and/or move me away from her. (John Lyons halter )

Takes time, and tons and tons of patience. Good Luck!
     

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