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post #1 of 22 Old 09-29-2009, 10:20 PM Thread Starter
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Rearing up

I am new here So hi every body, but I have a big problem with my yearling she is getting in the habbit of rearing up when she does not won`t to do something or when she does not under stand what I am asking her to do.So my question is how can I stop her doing these with not getting hurt my self?She has tried to hurt me when she rears up before but she stopped.I won`t to fix these now before she get in a habbit of doing it when she does not won`t to work and when I start to break her.
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Hello and welcome to the forum - this is a really nice one in my opinion :). Anyhow, rearing habits are bad habits. A horse can't rear if he has forward movement. Since your horse is young and you are not riding her yet, work on this problem in the round pen. When your horse doesn't want to do something and ends up rearing it is because she has stopped! Stopping allows her to rear. In the round pen (or even on a lunge line) teach her that clucking means "move forward". Use a stick at her hip to motivate her. Stay behind her shoulder and use stick and your body pressure to 'drive' her forward. When she rears up at you, get to her side, pull her head around to disengage her hind end, then drive her forward. Every time she tries to rear, drive her forward and work her tail off for a few minutes. Then stop and reward her for going forward. Keep at this over and over again. You teach her to go forward with a cue (the cluck), you teach her that if she starts to rear she gets worked harder, you replace a bad habit with something she has learned (going forward) and then rewarded the new behavior. Eventually you get a horse that listens to you and realizes it's easier doing it your way than her way. I've posted some round pen training articles on my blog at blackhorseblog.com which might give you some ideas. I'll have a video of me working an 18 month old Friesian up there soon where I'm driving her forward. She tried rearing up at me many times (doesn't show this on the video unfortunately) and had never been lunged before but she ends up getting it really well. Should be posted in the next day or two. Good luck and stay safe.
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Teach him to disengage his hindquarters and break at the poll. If he is soft in the face and crossing over with his back legs he won't rear. A horses body has to be straight to rear or buck.
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Both Eriray and Kevin have told you how to physically inhibit the horse from rearing. There are other more drastic methods.

But a horse which has learned to rear at such a young age may well come to represent a serious problem as it gets older and bigger. It must be stopped but hopefully without learning any more unacceptable evasions. Rearing is not the only evasion open to horses: they can shy,kick, bite, buck, balk, whirl and bolt.

But what are you doing to this horse when it decides to rear?
It is one year old, how did you wean it?
How long have you had it?
What are you in the short term aiming to do with it?
What breed is it?

Horses have clocks in their heads - they know the time of day but they can't count. They don't have calendars or birthday parties. It is the human who has this concept of a schedule. A horse just has daytime and night time. Some horses just take their time.
If a horse rears, then for sure he doesn't want to do it.
So then you have a choice, either wait till tomorrow or force him.

Me, I'd wait till tomorrow, I would not want a horse that reared everytime he did not want to do something. So there has to be another way.

My guess, if you must train a yearling beyond simple handling, then quit doing the things it doesn't like and do the things it does. You have plenty of time.

Oh, and as for not understanding what you ask for - that is definitely not the horse's fault - that is yours. You are obviously speaking the wrong language. Try sign language - use your hands.

Tom Dorrance says, amongst other things, that the best way to train a horse - is to get the horse to think it is a good idea. The advice doesn't solve the problem but it gives a clue to the solution.

Starr, time is a great healer. Take it.

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If a horse rears, then for sure he doesn't want to do it.
So then you have a choice, either wait till tomorrow or force him.

Me, I'd wait till tomorrow,


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So yearling rears because he doesn't want to do something or doesn't understand the cue and you put him up for the day? Nice reward for doing something dangerous........

I agree with Kevin. I've posted pictures of getting a horse to yield the hind end. Once you have control of the "engine" it's hard for them to do much of anything but yield.

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what are you doing to this horse when it decides to rear?
I have the same question......is it when your leading, loungeing or something else. Have you worked with yearlings before? Are you working with a trainer?

With really young ones it's constant testing, if I rear will she stop, If I bite will she stop, if I charge will she stop. The key is to keep going but do it in smaller steps and if you need to back off and do something they already know well then that's what you do.

I'm working with a little guy who is about 2 1/2, but for all intensive purposes he's a yearling mentally. Things have been going really well, he's willing and smart. BUT, now he is starting to test his limits. He went so far the other night as to threaten to charge. He only took a step or two but his intent was quite clear...... so......there was no way he was getting away with that so I backed off what I was doing at the time and we went back to something simple. We ended on a good note.

Baby steps for babies.

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So yesterday she did it when I was tring to get her to walk forward.She has reared up before.I got her at 6 mounths form a rescue they took her away from mom and took the mom to a nother house.She is one year in a half.When she rear up it shoked me and I let go of the rope she did not try it again.
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She did not do it again, because she got what she wanted. She found that out.

My 2 1/2 year old gelding reared on me, to get to his other buddies. In my case, it was a dominance issue. I was scared, so I got off. When on the ground, he reared again, I did not let go. I led him past his buddies and got back on. He didn't act up, because he got what he wanted after that. My trainer got on him and straightened him out.

But, he sees my trainer as the 'alpha' horse. He saw me superior to him. I did 'Join-up' on him, and it works amazeing.

Read about the process by Monty Roberts. It works really well on wild, rescued horses. It works on domestictaed horses but, the signs are more suttle and harder to point out sometimes.
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Well, now you've given me the reason for the behaviour.
Well done for taking the youngster on

I am sure G&K and the others can help - but me I'd let the little fella take his time to get to like a human for being a nice human before I asked him to do too much.

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So yesterday she did it when I was tring to get her to walk forward.She has reared up before.I got her at 6 mounths form a rescue they took her away from mom and took the mom to a nother house.She is one year in a half.When she rear up it shoked me and I let go of the rope she did not try it again.
So you've had her for a year? In that time what have you been doing with her? What did you do once you got ahold of the rope again? Is it always when your leading her that she goes up or does she do it at other times as well? Is she able to do things like stand tied, yield all four "corners" of her body, can you pick her feet and groom all over her body?

Sorry for all the questions but it's difficult to offer suggestions if we don't know how far along she is. At a year 1/2 she should be able to do all of the above and then some. So... tell us where is she's at........:)
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Barry actually does make some sense. I've seen people that have taken animals that are young and have started off on the wrong foot put them back out into pasture for a few months so that they can start over fresh. When he says "wait till tomorrow" he doesn't really mean, TOMORROW, he means down the road. It is an option.

But because I own a rearer and have personally experienced it for over 20 years with my gelding (who still rears), I'd get help immediately. I'm not sure how to explain to you what you need to do over the internet, so my suggestion is going to be the costly one, get a trainer out, and get them now. I would suggest you look into people that train for halter and showmanship, they are going to be the pro's in this arena.

Good luck to you.

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