Fixed it! Amen
What I wound up doing is, buying a straight Kimblewick, removing the pelham (curb) chain, and its associated extra hardware, buying leather loops that would move the reign position, then taking this contraption to the barn..
I then left this experiment simple...only the loops (for the reigns) and the straight kimblewick, got him over my right shoulder in his stall, the bits center armed with pure molasses, and even though he knew what I was up to, (I swear he knew!) he started to back-up, I followed backwards untill his big-butt stopped at his stall wall, and he partially gave in.
He LICKED the bit!
(part 1 accomplished!)
Then I moved in again, and got him once again (his doing) butt-to-wall, and held it at his lips...He's stalling, stalling..HE THEN TOOK IT!
I kept saying "gently", and helped guide the bit out of his mouth, only slight tooth clunk..did this over and over and over. All thats left in the headstall, but that was never the problem
and there it is, I OUTSMARTED MY HORSE!! (boy that's not pulitzer prize material, eh?) oh well..mission accomplished