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    05-20-2012, 02:06 PM
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Yearling
Regaining trust

So after about 4 months a gaining enough trust to finally get a halter on back in Jan. Just to loose it for this past month, finally a good day. It only took 15 min to catch her rather than the 1.5 hours it's been taking me.
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    05-20-2012, 02:13 PM
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Cat
Green Broke
What happened to lose trust? What else besides being hard to catch indicates a loss in trust? Sometimes being hard to catch isn't a loss in trust but a lack or respect and/or realizing they can get away with it so they will.
     
    05-20-2012, 02:17 PM
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Showing
I'm not sure my patience would hold out for four months, always having to spend 1.5 hrs trying to catch a horse. I commend your patience. I spend about 15 min tailing the horse, moving it on when it stops until it watches me with both eyes. I'll either step back to see if it approaches or approach the horse. If it leaves, I'll beging tailing it again. Pretty soon it gets nervous about it's hiney and wants to watch with both eyes. That's usually when I get the halter on but I'll throw a rope over the neck first.
     
    05-20-2012, 02:37 PM
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Cat
Green Broke
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I'm not sure my patience would hold out for four months, always having to spend 1.5 hrs trying to catch a horse. I commend your patience. I spend about 15 min tailing the horse, moving it on when it stops until it watches me with both eyes. I'll either step back to see if it approaches or approach the horse. If it leaves, I'll beging tailing it again. Pretty soon it gets nervous about it's hiney and wants to watch with both eyes. That's usually when I get the halter on but I'll throw a rope over the neck first.
That or I drive them into a smaller enclosure like the front small pasture or the fenced arena and start round penning.
     
    05-20-2012, 02:47 PM
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Yearling
Cat, it is kind of a mix if the 2, I lost her trust when I started doing things she saw as threatening (I.e.spraying her w/ fly spray), & now she will flinch when I touch her=her lost of trust that I won't do anything "threatening". BUT, there is also a big lack of respect there as well. I'm trying to find that right balance with her.

SB, trust me it's put me in a very bad mood on the ride home, but I'm forcing "all smiles" when I'm w/ her. I wish I could just throw a rope over her neck. That is one thing that if I did, I might as well walk away because she will never let me get within 50 feet of her again.
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    05-20-2012, 02:50 PM
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Yearling
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That or I drive them into a smaller enclosure like the front small pasture or the fenced arena and start round penning.
Tried that, 15' x 15'. Honestly, that actually made it worse. She reacted as though she were trapped.

Right now she's in a 75 x 75 area so that's what you have to work w/
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    05-20-2012, 03:38 PM
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Foal
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It only took 15 min to catch her rather than the 1.5 hours it's been taking me.
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Well, that's some progress. I'm assuming bribes don't work. Have you tried turning your back on her? She might gravitate in your direction. Sounds like you got your work cut out for you. Good luck.
     
    05-20-2012, 03:40 PM
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Cat
Green Broke
I'm betting its mostly respect and the fact that she has now been trained that once she reacts a certain way things she finds annoying they stop. Exact opposite of what you want to train. You toss a rope at her - she freaks out - you stop. She got rewarded for freaking out and thus thinks that is acceptable.

For example - the first time I introduced a tarp to Rascal he practically jumped out of his skin and tried to bolt away. Did I take it away from him at that point? Not at all! Of course I didn't tried to toss it on him at first, his first introduction I had him haltered and on a long lead, but I was holding it a couple feet from his head where I normally would. The extra rope was so I could control him if he decided to bolt or something. I stood at an angle from his shoulder so if he tried to lunge forward he would go past me and not into me.

The tarp was brought out and flapped around a bit on my other side away from, but where he could see it. He of course freaked out and I kept doing it. I sure didn't want him to learn that running away was the answer. Eventually he realized trying to run wasn't getting him anywhere and he stopped moving his feet. The first time I rewarded the stopping of movement. The next time I waited until he shows some relaxation - head lowering a bit or licking of the lips. Once I got the response I wanted the scary blue tarp stopped moving and I rubbed his face. Then we would repeat while it got closer, with again - as soon as I saw a sign of relaxation we would stop. Eventually I could toss it on his back and he wouldn't move. Now if I introduce a scary thing to him he may be scared but he tries to touch it as he has learned that not moving and touching it seems to make it go away.

Do the same process for ropes and anything else you need to desensitize them with.

As to round penning - they may react as if they are being trapped at first but if you know what you are doing they soon learn that there is a form of communication going on. Your not there just trying to run them around but you are the leader and they are the follower. You direct direction and they accept it. But if you don't know what you are doing and don't know how to read the horse you can mess them up by putting pressure on at the wrong time and taking off at the wrong time - both can have negative consequences to what they learn.

Do you have anyone that can help you there?
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    05-20-2012, 03:43 PM
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Foal
I also admire your patience!
Have you ever tried a join- up? They're actually a real thing, and helps to regain trust. My friend does it every so often when her gelding starts to get sour from training. Afterwards, he follows her around like a puppy.
     
    05-21-2012, 05:38 PM
  #10
Yearling
OK, I'll admit it, I've honestly lived in a black hole for the past 5 years. I've seen the term join-up on HF a lot, but not exactly sure what it is.

Before my exhile (i.e. The job from h*** that took all of my time), join up was when your movements matched the horses. Basically you walked at their speed, stopped when they stopped, basically mirrored them. Has that changed any, or is it something else that someone came up with and called join-up?

As far as the rope, once I catch her, she can't get away from it. It's in my hand that's brushing her, I have a spare on that get hung over her back, neck, or butt. But that's a lead rope. I do have one for roping that I still haven't learned how to use (on the bucket list). From what I know about her (granted this is all third hand stories), she was a ranch horse that wasn't handled very well. She does have some scars in various places on her body including around her neck that could be any number of things (barbed wire, spurs, a rope, chain, etc. or a combo of all of the above). One of the stories I was told was that she was a roping horse (on the way she acts when ridden it sounds plausible she was a roping horse). Anyway, anything bad that could be done with a rope was done to her. Of course I don't know for sure, but supposedly the twice removed previous owner had brought a rope in the round pen for use with another horse, and she flipped out. Life preservation type of flipping out.

So my plan right now is NOT to introduce THAT particular fear/item for now. I'm starting small & working my way up. Like fly spray, blue brushes, halters & lead ropes, soccer balls, ground poles and cones. Eventually I'll get to the big ticket items, but I want to make sure she knows whats expected, and how I'm going to react to her behavior.

Letting her get away with being scared of something/rewarding her for running away is not what I'm trying to do. That's the reason it takes me that long sometimes to catch her. One way or another I will catch her at that time, no matter how long it takes, I'm not walking away with out at LEAST being able to walk her a little by holding on to the halter. I will follow her until she lets me finally get ahold of her, whether it takes 5 minutes or 3 hours. And I have made my kids 2 hours late for supper because I was not walking away with out having caught her.

I haven't removed anything she's afraid of (other than the rope) when she reacts, it's just a matter of how much control I have of her at the time. Obviously if I haven't caught her yet, I can't exactly force her not to turn away. BUT once I have a hold of her, I have a spare halter that goes on off, on off, on off. If she rears up, once all feet are back on the ground its back to on off, on off. Once she starts at least showing an attempt at keeping her head down, we move on to something else for a bit, (fly spray, pfft pfft "good girl", pfft pfft - up goes the horse - pfffffffffffffttttttttttttttttt) ;) OK, quiet horse getting sprayed, halter on off, on off.

Sorry this got long, but I'm trying to explain my methods. If anyone else has any ideas for not letting her get away with not being caught other than to just keep walking up to her/letting her come to me (which she won't come up to ANYONE, even if you have feed), until she lets you grab her no matter how long it takes, let me have it.

She's already in a small area, and no I don't/never have used treats or food to bribe her (know-it-all at the barn tried to show me what I was doing wrong. I just watched her do the same thing that she does to me). I admit that I've caved for the time being and leave halter on all the time, as no one will put hers on when she's let out, and I fairly certain right now without one already one, there will be NO catching her. What I do is use my spare, and act like the one already on isn't there if I can. She still cringes when being rubbed, brushed, or getting scratched, so it's still not a positive reinforcement tool yet.
     

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