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post #21 of 65 Old 07-14-2009, 03:38 PM
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well I am probably going to get skewered LOL but in my many years around horses I find lots of them get cranky when the girth is tightened up. I know of several who fall over and play dead if you tighten the girth too fast, that is the extreme. However signs of disagreement during saddling are common. Very often horses do it when they are not sore and it does need to be addressed.


I mean am I the only one who knows of many horses that aren't really fond of that part of tacking up? Once you get through that they are fine and go about their business. Yes it needs to be addressed you don't want to get bit and let the horse get away with it. (unless of course its a pain issue)

Just my two cents for today.
I got a horse that already had this bad habit long before I got her. She tried several times to bite me when I tightened girth. (and I checked for pain, saddle fit, etc) and determined it was just her protesting going for a ride. After using my voice, etc. I just smacked her the neck very quickly and sharply and guess what she never did it to me again.
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One thing my husband's instructor does for the horses they ride for lessons is to make sure there are no folds of skin caught under the girth by lifting the front legs one by one. Just bent out in front to make sure all extra skin is out from under the girth.

Maybe try that.

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goldi,yes that is a good practice to do
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Ah, well that's an entirely different question than what you originally asked.

I assume, based on the information the OP has given us that resistance free training means you don't care that the horse is sore, has a saddle that doesn't fit and tries to bite you when you cinch up the saddle.
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I should watch that word physical because I will use force to get what I want but nothing that really hurts the horse.
Think that's a great point, because often, whether the handler believes in getting 'physical' or not, the mental 'hurts' go unregarded, unrecognised.
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again if the horse is just being a bit of a brat and being naughty while you cinch the girth very often a quick smack and stern NO seem to work.....JMO
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Refute what I said then.
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I mean am I the only one who knows of many horses that aren't really fond of that part of tacking up?
No, you aren't the only one that have seen many. That's not the point. And 'many' doesn't mean it should be happening.

Every one I've ever seen is either sore, had a saddle that didn't fit, or people issues.
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well I am probably going to get skewered LOL but in my many years around horses I find lots of them get cranky when the girth is tightened up. I know of several who fall over and play dead if you tighten the girth too fast, that is the extreme. However signs of disagreement during saddling are common. Very often horses do it when they are not sore and it does need to be addressed.


I mean am I the only one who knows of many horses that aren't really fond of that part of tacking up? Once you get through that they are fine and go about their business. Yes it needs to be addressed you don't want to get bit and let the horse get away with it. (unless of course its a pain issue)

Just my two cents for today.
I got a horse that already had this bad habit long before I got her. She tried several times to bite me when I tightened girth. (and I checked for pain, saddle fit, etc) and determined it was just her protesting going for a ride. After using my voice, etc. I just smacked her the neck very quickly and sharply and guess what she never did it to me again.
1 - If you know several horses that fall over and play dead - someone is really not into the basics where you are at. The reason a horse will fall over when cinched is the nerve that is pinched in the process. Sort of like hitting your funny bone on your elbow. It goes numb and they have no control.

2 - Anytime there is a saddling issue - it needs to be addressed. Even if addressing it is by ensuring the horse is securely tied when you place the saddle. Horses never forget - they forgive.

3 - I would never hit a horse to try and change a habit that was more than likely taught to the horse by a previous human. (see 2)
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What do you normally do when the horses act up? What has worked previously?

This is good advice and you might also spend some more time around the girth area without a saddle and see if there are some tender areas.

How are you drawing the cinch up?


Look for other areas that might be effecting the horses behavior.
Horses that have been cinched WRONG for years can have this reaction even though there is not pain and it is called pain memory.
It is a reaction to the pain that they used to get.

It takes time to work through some of these kind of problems.


Or You could just smack em!
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