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post #1 of 8 Old 04-30-2012, 12:18 AM Thread Starter
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Unhappy Respect issues

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I've had my 4 year old quarter horse for two years now. He has always on the lunge turned in and charged at me, which i just gave up. But now he has began this behaviour when i ask him to do practically anything. When he first charged, baring his teeth and then reared, i just flapped my arms to stop him from coming at me and then gave him a wack on the bum ( i wouldnt do this if i wasnt in danger) and then he was fine. But today, he did the whole thing probably three or four times. I know its a respect issue, but did i do the wrong thing the first time to promote this behaviour, or does anyone know any simple groundwork tools that i can use to get my respect back again?
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post #2 of 8 Old 04-30-2012, 12:39 AM
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I know its a respect issue, but did i do the wrong thing the first time to promote this behaviour,
This is what you did wrong

He has always on the lunge turned in and charged at me, which i just gave up
Since you "gave up" when he tested you for your leadership.. he won. Now he knows he owns you. You aren't his leader and he doesn't have to listen to you. He's the leader and he's keeping you in line with this charging (this is from his perspective.. from what you're portrayed to him.)

So then he decides "oh hey.. I wonder if I can keep doing this to get out of work!" and then you get this problem:

But now he has began this behaviour when i ask him to do practically anything
And it's getting worse due to this problem:

i just flapped my arms to stop him from coming at me and then gave him a wack on the bum ( i wouldnt do this if i wasnt in danger)
He needed a bigger correction. One that made him feel like you were going to send him to hell and there he would die a slow painful death.

Okay not this severe, but seriously, rearing and teeth baring, and charging are BAD behaviors. And they will escalate, as you have experienced with your horse over time.

Don't be afraid to whack that horse with a crop until he stops rearing. Don't be afraid to smack the whip on the round when he bears his teeth to send him away from you.

If you are afraid, then you need to find a trainer to get your horse back to being submissive and respectful.. and then YOU need to get some lessons on how to handle horses.

Horses are dangerous, and if you don't educate yourself then you will get HURT.

Best of luck, please find someone to help you.

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post #3 of 8 Old 04-30-2012, 12:41 AM
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Either sell the horse, give it away, or get someone to help you. Your going to get hurt.
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post #4 of 8 Old 04-30-2012, 12:42 AM
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That sound perfectly terrifying. being charged by a horse is really a serious matter. I know that other more experienced horsewomen/men will have some feed back, but I think there has got to be more to the story. I mean, just doing this out of the blue is odd. Are there other things where through his behaviour, he is expressing a contempt or aggression toward you. Such as how is feeding? leading? saddling? pivcking up feet, acceptance of farrier. And, does he do this to anyone else?

How is he under saddle? Is there any possibility that there is some pain issue that makes riding something he dreads and will try to resist?

I think there is an "environment" in which this problem came about. However, I will let you flesh it out and see what the experts say (wHich is not me)
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Well said Sky and Tiny, I've never had a full grown horse charge me yet, they know who's boss around here. I have had my little colt do it a few times till he learned that wasn't gonna' fly around here. He thought his little world was over and hasn't offered to do it again. Wish I could be more help, but one thing I know you can do is to NOT let him get away with it. When you walk away like others have said he know's he's in control and every time he charges or bares his teeth you'll leave..

I would seek a trainer, or someone that has REALLY delt with this issue. It can be very dangerous, so be careful and good luck!

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Sky has said it all.

To many people think that their horse will not 'love' them if they give a firm correction with something that they really feel, like a lunge whip across they legs.
In all reality the opposite is true and providing it is firm and fair, corrections bring about a true respect for the handler.
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You have lots of excellent advice here. I would definitely get some help now, or sell this horse. His behaviour is very dangerous. If this had been my horse coming at me in the round pen he would have gotten such a whack with my stick he would never have repeated the behaviour. You need to be soft as you can be but as hard as you need to be. I am the leader of my horses. They need to be safe for all those who ride and handle them.
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I am no expert by any means, but I have dealt with the very thing you describe. It was a 13hh POA gelding who had learned he was the alpha leader of his very inexperienced owner's. They were not even aware they had created a very dangerous horse. It took me and their Vet to convince them they had a problematic horse on their hands. The owner's offered this horse up to me if I'd work with their other horses. I backed down from their offer, but agreed to work with him and their other horses.

On my first encounter with this horse he did have a halter on loose in a pasture. I first rubbed him at his mane and poll the lightly got hold of his halter he immediately reared and galloped away. I commented he should never have gotten away with that behavior. I then started him on basic ground work and lunging was on my mind. The very first time I attempted to lunge him I didn't have a long lunge whip, but a 4 foot stock type whip with a short lash. He came at me with teeth bared and snaking neck I knew if I backed down he would have won. Trust me my heart was pounding frantically, but my survival was utmost important. I started waving that whip just in front of me and stood my ground. The lash of the whip got him on the nose and he whirled away. I let him think about that while my heart stopped pounding in my ears. He attempted it one more time and got the same "bite of my arm's extension". Then he resorted to kicking out at me with both hind hooves. By this time I had gotten a lunge whip and I met him kick-for-kick with only the lash of that whip. As soon as he quit kicking so did I.

I spent a full month working with that horse and did eventually succeed in saddling him and rode him a bit, but I never trusted him enough to turn my back on him. I informed his owner's I did't want him and they should find a buyer for him. They offered to pay me cash for what I accomplished with that devil, but I refused as I told them, "no amount of money would suffice for the experience I learned from that encounter with most appropriately named horse, Savage".
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