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post #1 of 15 Old 02-19-2011, 01:45 AM Thread Starter
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Respect issues with other people.

I've been hearing how horrible my mare's ground manners are from my barn owner. I've been told she is charging people in the field, charging in and out of her stall...just hearing nasty things about her.

My problem is, she does NOTHING like this with me. Her ground manners are 99% perfect when I handle her. She is always easy to lead, never rushes in or out of her stall, and has never charged me. When she does something, it's usually very minor and I have never had to correct her more than once.

I don't believe they are lying. But I'm at a loss of how to teach her to respect other people when she always behaves so well for me.

They always act surprised about her mellow attitude with me.

Am I wrong in thinking that it's ultimately up to them to get respect from her, or how the heck would I go about teaching her that I'm not the only person she has to behave for? This is something I've never had to deal with. At first I didn't even believe she was doing any of what they were saying because she is always so well behaved for me.

Given, this barn owner's own horses have some pretty rude ground manners, I'm wondering if she is just incompetent to keep her in line period. I'm leaving for a variety of reasons, I will not elaborate on.

But I definitely do not want to go to the new barn with a mare who will be sour to everyone but her owner. Even though I'm pretty sure the manager at the new barn is more than capable of earning her respect pretty quick, I still worry that she might really test them.

Has anyone else ever dealt with an issue like this?
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post #2 of 15 Old 02-19-2011, 05:18 PM
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I've seen it more often where a child or student will be working with a horse, the horse misbehaving, and the horse will listen to the trainer the second they take hold of the lead. Usually the trainers will take the horse away from the student, correct it, and give it back. It pretty much is what you suspect. The people who are leading it probably aren't holding there own against it.

But then again, it could be like when a parent is around the kid behaves, but the second they leave the kid is naughty because nobody else makes them listen. (Which I now realize is pretty muc hthe same thing.
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post #3 of 15 Old 02-19-2011, 06:01 PM
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You might have a friend, your barn manager, or another boarder spend some time working with your mare in your presence. All you can really do is expose her to other people under your direction. Past that, if people are handling your horse when you aren't there, then they need to figure out how to get her respect.
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post #4 of 15 Old 02-19-2011, 06:29 PM Thread Starter
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So today I spoke with another boarder who has been,having the exact same problem. Horse is fine for her, but she keeps hearing all this bad stuff. Leading me to believe she just cant handle the horses very well.
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post #5 of 15 Old 02-19-2011, 08:10 PM
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I wouldn't worry about how your horse will be with others in the future and leave as soon as I could. Especially if other people are having the same issues.
I once had a barn owner who complained about my horse all the time. No one else ever had, and no one has since. This horse is so light to lead around on the ground that you can do all kinds of things and barely realize she is there.
The barn owner I had was afraid of high energy horses and was actually drugging my horse without my knowledge. It was terrible because I thought my horse was sick several times.
It was so odd when I moved her into the barn and by the second day she barely showed an interest in her new surroundings when she normally is a little spooky until she settles in.
So I'd be very wary of someone like this. She might be taking extreme measures to make your horse "behave." Bring your horse to a barn where they know how to handle horses and are not afraid of normal horse behavior.
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post #6 of 15 Old 02-20-2011, 02:13 AM
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Well I agree with other people that it is really not your problem.

But I have had one horse I tried this with and it has worked. She was a mare and was learning that she could intimidate people by kicking and biting at them. So I started working with her and put her throught the ropes until she had the up most respect for me (which you already have). Then I brought others in and let them work her while I hid out of sight in the barn. As soon as she did something I would go out to her and work her guts out. And I don't mean just lunge her or something but actually work her mentally very fast. pretty soon she stopped giving others problems and has been good since. But like I said doesn't sound like thats your problem, just that the person has a confidence issue when working with horses.
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post #7 of 15 Old 02-20-2011, 08:19 AM
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If you're going to another barn maybe the problem will disappear.

Some of that behavior depends on how the farm is laid out.

Some barns have very inexperienced staff that can be hired cheaply, and they don't know how to handle horses. That might be the case at your soon-to-be old barn.

I've actually had a couple horses that were 'bad for the staff'. In one case one horse had been left out in a field til it was 10 or so, and not worked with at all. I could work with him but the less epxerienced staff had problems. He'd start shouldering them and getting really obnoxious.

What I realized was that he 'just weren't that broke'. I worked with him more, and got him to be EVEN BETTER with me and then he was far better behaved with them.

Now about 'charging' people in a field. The way a horse behaves when it's loose - that's pretty darn hard to control. The horse simply isn't under your control when it's loose. Other than finding some way to whip it with a long whip or the like and chase it away, there really is not a whole lot you can do.

Many people don't understand that they start this habit themselves by playing with or feeding the horses. Horses simply don't 'charge' for just any reason.

If YOU are teaching your horse to run up to you, don't do that no more, LOL. Avoid any kind of playing or roughousing with your horse when it's loose. I teach mine to walk up slowly by walking along their pasture fence pulling grass here and there and feeding it to them. As long as they walk quietly along the fence, they get treats. Even if they gallop up, they drop to a walk and come up to me in a sedate speed.

And also, the trouble in some barns is, that the horses are turned out together and all crowd at the gate at feeding time, especially when they're brought in late, or right at a meal time. Then the horses get to fighting with each other and each one tries to be first.

In other words, the person might perceive it as being charged, but the horse is just trying to get to its food first.

When you get to a place that doesn't turn out so many together, or the paddocks or pastures are not quite so crowded, you see less of this.

I know that to create even grazing and wear on the pasture, dividing a pasture into smaller areas and putting just 1-2 horses on each small area, works an awful lot better. Otherwise the horses graze and traffic some parts too much, and other parts not enough.
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post #8 of 15 Old 02-20-2011, 09:19 AM
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It's not going to matter what you do to your horse. Like others have said, if someone else is handling your horse and can't get respect from the horse, there's not much you can do. There is even a difference in our horses between when I handle them and my wife handles them. She lets them get away with some things and I won't. They listen to me better than they do with her. So either the person with the problem of handling your horse needs to learn how to do it, you move your horse to a barn where they know how to do it, or you are the only one that is to handle your horse. That's about all you can do.

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It sounds like a lack of experience on the other people's behalf. If they cannot handle your horse, that's their problem. Not your's.

We have some problems like this at the place where I work. The majority of the horses are level headed and calm, but there are a few that will test the more inexperienced workers and sometimes freak them out.

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post #10 of 15 Old 02-20-2011, 10:04 AM
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Ok -I agree with most the post to a point. I do think it is the handler's responsibility to get respect from the horse. Some people are just better at it than others.
However, this isn't their horse & would you really want someone besides you disciplining your horse if they act up.
I think even if your horse isn't the problem, it wouldn't be a bad idea to have other people work with her under your supervision just to get her used to different people.
-On side note if the barnowner's horses are pushy on the ground that usually isn't a good sign.

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