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    07-19-2010, 02:49 PM
  #11
mls
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Originally Posted by Odissi    
But here's the sad part.... in addition to having to deal with cancer she's also had to deal with an abusive husband which she has FINALLY gotten a divorce from... This dude is the lowest of the low... not only did he beat his terminally ill wife
When did your friend pass away?
     
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    07-19-2010, 04:17 PM
  #12
Yearling
If you want to call me, I would be happy to talk to you about abused horses. I've rehabbed many- had to put down a few- I am a realist. I can't save them all, but I will try with each one. I'd like to talk to you about these arabs too. And how you trained 3 bomb proof jumpers. I've never met a bomb proof horse, let alone a jumper.

Pm me for my phone number. =)
     
    07-19-2010, 04:48 PM
  #13
Showing
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Originally Posted by draftrider    
And how you trained 3 bomb proof jumpers. I've never met a bomb proof horse, let alone a jumper.
Yes, I'm curious about this as well, since she supposedly did all of this by the time she was 16 y/o.

IME, the only truly bombproof horse is a dead one. But then, I've only had horses 32 years.
     
    07-19-2010, 05:00 PM
  #14
Yearling
I was once thrown from a "bomb proof" horse. I tell ya, it don't matter if the horse is "bomb proof" or not, it still hurts when you hit the ground.
     
    07-19-2010, 09:19 PM
  #15
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Originally Posted by Speed Racer    
IME, the only truly bombproof horse is a dead one. But then, I've only had horses 32 years.
I'd also add deaf and blind 40 years old!
     
    07-19-2010, 09:39 PM
  #16
Yearling
OP, where'd ya go? I want to compare training with you.
     
    07-20-2010, 10:05 AM
  #17
Foal
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Originally Posted by mls    
When did your friend pass away?
She's still alive :) hence why I've been hired to look after her babies.

I want to thank EVERYONE for the absolutely amazing advice... so many good things said here.. Im definitely going to try the "chair in the paddock" with a bag of treats thing this morning, and start putting him with the buddy horse more as the other arab is actually really sweet :)

As far as the questions about bombproofing jumpers... IT CAN BE DONE... the magic trick is literally "dropping bombs" next to them.... (my home where my horses were kept was in between a bombing range (no joke) AND a shooting range....
When I first got them they were green but rideable... and when they moved into their "new home" they went from green rides to unpredictable spooks that would panic at every loud noise...(understandable really given the location)
LOTS of patience... LOTS of more extreme sacking out (making loud noises mainly using garbage can lids... randomly beating oil drums... often whilst going through a course of fences) Lots of love and praise... and Lots of falling off in the process... but after about a year... they were literally "bomb-proof" ... loud noises... explosions... gunshots... thunder wouldn't even make their ears twitch...

Of course no horse is truly bomb-proof... animals are unpredictable and you never know what is going to scare them... but as far as horses go (after a year of working with them) those three were the most "un-phased" docile and sweet animals I've ever been around.. every time I was ever thrown from any of them it was always due to something silly like the horse stumbling and falling down itself... and even in those situations they would never run away... they would just get up... stop... and look at you on the ground like... "hey, you okay? What'cha doing down there?"

How did I do it all at a young age?
My parents train police dogs and rescue dogs... they have a kennel... and my mother has studied animal behavioralism to great length...
She knew nothing about horses but always had some great advice as to how animals "think" and while she stayed away from the stable insisting I had to "do it myself to build character"... she always sent me out there with great advice.

Sadly she's not had any experience with abused animals or she would probably be helping me now... although she was the one who suggested I go online and talk to some horsey people about it so I guess in a way she has. :)

Thanks again everybody! I'll report back with my progress as I go along

<3
Hailey
     
    07-20-2010, 11:00 AM
  #18
mls
Trained
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Originally Posted by Odissi    
She's still alive :) hence why I've been hired to look after her babies.

Sadly she's not had any experience with abused animals or she would probably be helping me now... although she was the one who suggested I go online and talk to some horsey people about it so I guess in a way she has. :)

Terminally ill means there is no recovery from the illness. 8 years is a long time to be 'terminal'.

I am hesitant to believe this post. Your friend was seriously ill - so I would understand having some type of frequent treatment and yet no one would help her for that period of time?

My husband has treatment for a chronic illness 3x a week. They notice if he wears a new t-shirt. I am very sure if he was hurt, they would be on top of things.
     
    07-20-2010, 02:37 PM
  #19
Foal
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Originally Posted by mls    
Terminally ill means there is no recovery from the illness. 8 years is a long time to be 'terminal'.

I am hesitant to believe this post. Your friend was seriously ill - so I would understand having some type of frequent treatment and yet no one would help her for that period of time?

My husband has treatment for a chronic illness 3x a week. They notice if he wears a new t-shirt. I am very sure if he was hurt, they would be on top of things.
Err... that's kind of a rude and insensitive comment to make.. why would I lie about my friend's condition? That would be a bit dark and screwed up?!
I mean... this is a horse forum and a horse issue so I didn't really see it necessary to go into the details of my friend's illness....but that being said if you MUST know... 8 years ago they found a tumor in her brain which pretty much took away ALL of her mobility (just like that)...she's needed 24 hour care and has been unable to walk / eat / go to the bathroom unaided since that day.. 3 years later she was diagnosed with stage 3 cancer of the throat and lymph nodes.. which despite her disabilities she decided to fight even though the doctors said it didn't look good....
Chemo and radiation helped a bit but over the past 5 years it's spread throughout her body... it's moved to her lungs and her pancreas about a year ago and that's the point when she was diagnosed as "terminal" .... im sorry if my terminology was wrong or murky... I was just trying to keep things short and the overall point is that she's been unable to do anything with the horses herself since the day she lost all her mobility (8 years ago) ... sorry if I sound rude.. it just seemed like an odd thing to say

I want to thank whoever suggested the chair idea again today.... I did this earlier and after the buddy horse got curious enough to come see me for treats the abused horse decided to come too... he let me pet him and even (very very cautiously) came up to me on his own accord the second time I came into the paddock to top off their water troughs ... yay for baby steps! That's a huge improvement in one day for a horse that normally runs to the far corner of the paddock anytime anyone steps foot into it
     
    07-20-2010, 03:38 PM
  #20
Yearling
I have to point out- I was deemed terminally ill. I had stage 4B uterine cancer which spread to my colon, liver and had lymph node involvement in 63 out of 76 lymph nodes in my chest and pelvis. I was given 3 months to live.

On July 3rd 2010 I celebrated my 4th year of remission.

So terminal is not always, terminal.

I haven't really heard of anyone with pancreatic involvement to live more than a few months. If she's made it a year that's a miracle.
     

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