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    07-20-2010, 03:52 PM
  #21
mls
Trained
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Originally Posted by Odissi    
Err... that's kind of a rude and insensitive comment to make..

sorry if I sound rude.. it just seemed like an odd thing to say
Insensitive? It is a legitimate question. As I said - I live with a chronically ill person. He requires treatment 3x a week in order to live. His health care providers take wonderful care of him. If I were an abusive spouse, they would quickly find out and not hesitate to contact the authorities.

I am very defensive of those who are ill and all of the people who care for those individuals.
     
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    07-20-2010, 04:08 PM
  #22
Banned
The way I read MLS's post is not so much she is wondering about your friend's illness but about her being beat by her husband and no one noticing.
I believe MLS is saying that with the constant required medical attention that someone would notice the injuries from the beatings.


Edit, darn it, I typed too slow again....
     
    07-20-2010, 05:25 PM
  #23
Foal
Red face Back to the beginning..

This sounds so sad. What a rotten reflection on the human potential for cruelty. Now something needs to be done. If this kind of situation came onto my horse ranch I would go right back to the beginning as if I was dealing with a very green broke horse. Short tie (is it a gelding?) your horse and start with lifting the feet. Will the horse allow you to lift the feet and pat them and rub around the hoof and massage it's lower leg.This you do every day for as long as it takes for you and the horse to build that trust factor you need to be safe around it. If you cannot pick up the feet then you have a lawn ornament and a hay burner. If you cannot pick up the feet you cannot help them. You need to be able to trim and shoe. We have a fool proof technique to get them to pick up their feet. A realy neat system that is very humanitarian and worked like a hum dinger. But you have to be consistent. This means everyday. I wouldn't take on the big stuff until you got your info on the feet being lifted. Eat the elephant one bite at a time.On the matter of rearing...unacceptable... One solid flat hand on the head everytime it appears the front feet are coming up. No repetitve discipline. Just the once and then step back and talk to your horse and tell him in your best authoritative voice what a good boy or girl you know he can be. Be safe!!!
     
    07-20-2010, 06:13 PM
  #24
Yearling
Horsetrader, I would really love to hear more about your humanitarian humdinger. Please do you have pictures of how you get a horse to lift their feet?
     
    07-20-2010, 08:40 PM
  #25
Foal
Problem getting your horse to lift it's feet

In our experience when a horse won't lift it's feet there is always other behavior that comes out. Like rearing or kicking out at you. Even had horses throw themselves onto their back and have a temper fit. It's always alarming to see what they can get themselves into. Yet once you begin this process you must go until you have won the battle. We have come away from this process with several horse's injured and exhausted and so we have adopted the following technique from a New Zealand cowboy. I had serious doubts when I first took a problem horse to him but he won the day and he won us over by doing the following. The process requires a very solid tree. A long piece of thick soft rope (sailing rope is the best) and a single hobble. You also need either a tall post behind you with a notch cut across the top. We use a strong limb on a tree where we throw one end of the rope over. You start by tieing your horse to the tree with a bowline knot. This insures that the rope will not tighten on your horses neck and create an emergency cut away situation. cont....
     
    07-20-2010, 09:02 PM
  #26
Foal
Smile I'm describing working on the back feet here...

Whichever is the offending foot you place the single hobble on this foot. Then using the free end of the rope you first run it through the attachment on the hobble and then using lots of rope you tie your horses tail to the rope. While your getting the horse ready there is a second person on the other end of the rope that is over the limb that when they are told they slowly begin to pull the rope tight like a pully gently forcing the hrose to raise up it's leg. With this controlled tension on the line and the fact that their tail is engaged in the process you can then approach safely to de-sensitize the bottom of the hoof and leg and take the foot up and down multiple times teaching them that this is a good thing.
     
    07-20-2010, 09:06 PM
  #27
Weanling
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Originally Posted by Odissi    
I want to thank whoever suggested the chair idea again today.... I did this earlier and after the buddy horse got curious enough to come see me for treats the abused horse decided to come too... he let me pet him and even (very very cautiously) came up to me on his own accord the second time I came into the paddock to top off their water troughs ... yay for baby steps! That's a huge improvement in one day for a horse that normally runs to the far corner of the paddock anytime anyone steps foot into it
You welcome I have found over the years that this is the best and easiest way to gain the trust of a nervous or abused horse. It allows the horse to be in control of the association, they don't feel pressured into being social but because they are social creatures they do come around quiet quickly. I had a horse that was basically wild at 5 when we got her, she hadn't been handled at all and was very nervous around people. After a week of sitting with her (and her baby who was very friendly after a day) she came around really well.

I'm glad things are starting to improve and he is starting to want to be with you a little more
     
    07-21-2010, 12:38 AM
  #28
Yearling
Horsetrader, I just don't understand the concept. So you tie the horses foot to their tail and then hike them up in the tree? Do you have pictures or a video?
     
    07-21-2010, 02:50 AM
  #29
Trained
Nice and easy. Maybe take a book and read by the horses stalls and just ignore him. Gently get closer and closer but he learns you aren't the one to be afraid of.

As for the head sensitivity, this is one of my favs to retrain

First off, you want to nit let the hear expect you to touch his head. Run your hand and rub where you can. After doing that fir a few minutes just run your hand ice, swift and smooth, over the ear and go back to rubbing the spots you cab touch. You di it fast enough that they don't even know what happened until you already did it. Don't make a Big deal out if it. Just one stroke and then retreat. Eventually you can do more and more.

I've never rehab-ed an abused horse before though. Just neglected ones.
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    07-21-2010, 07:41 AM
  #30
Weanling
Like mentioned before, just take it slow, don't have an agenda, and don't push things. Leave the horse curious. Don't worry so much about him liking you, just allow him to become part of your world and the security that goes along with it.

I do put horses like this out with a buddy that is already quiet and friendly. However, I do not treat the abused horse any different than I do the other horse. Do not look at the exact actions, just at what can successfully be done without causing too much resistance. The biggest mistake that I see made with abused horses is that they are treated as abused horses, people tend to be very hesitant around them and that in itself will make the horse worried. Horses have an incredible memory, but they are also extremely forgiving. The horse, however, doesn't sit around and dwell on the fact that he was treated unfairly. The horse lives in the moment and deals with what life gives him. If we treat him like he is something that should have exceptions in his life, then he will always have them.

I don't put a time limit on a horse with emotional issues that they have to get through. They will give you everything in time as long as you don't try to get it too much. Horses are like little kids, the more you want them to do something, the more they will resist, the more you push them away, the more they will want to be part of your life. The abused horse has to earn its way into my herd just like any other horse. Any aggressive behavior from the abused horse is met the same way a dominant horse would react, they are not sheltered.

He should come around fairly quickly with consistency and fairness from you.
     

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