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post #31 of 57 Old 11-06-2012, 12:55 PM Thread Starter
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I talked to the owner again this morning to see about scheduling another time to go out with a snaffle bit and an English saddle. I told her about everyone here being concerned with my ruining him for WP or other western sports. She told me that she has moved on from this horse and if she does ride him it will be at low level shows this summer. They love this horse too much to send him off to the first person to come around, but also don't want him anymore.

Essentially this horse is retired for them and they have moved on. I'm more than happy to give him a job and see what we can do together.

She has encouraged me to do what I want with him and both she and her dad, who I will be working with the most often since she lives 2 hours away, have told me that if he is not working out then I do not have to lease him.

clippityclop - that's exactly what I'm wondering. I guess this is a 'you don't know until you try' type of thing. I know enough about training any kind of animal to be able to tell when they're unhappy or if it's too much for me to handle.

And please, before you decide that wanting a direct reining option means I don't trust the horse educate yourself about what Dressage really is. Having contact on the mouth has nothing to do with trust issues and needing full control. It's all about a different style of riding. I'm perfectly fine with a huge loop in the reins or just laying them on the neck while going around a field or out on the trail. If the horse spooks or refuses to go forward having my hands on his mouth isn't going to help me stay on or persuade him to move.
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Well I can't wait for you to spend some time with him and see what you think....I think that considering what the owner desires for him and what you could teach him, he would definitely benefit from it. I hope it goes well and you are really lucky to be able to make school/riding time workout - I never could do it - LOL but life gets in the way sometimes!
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I talked to the owner again this morning to see about scheduling another time to go out with a snaffle bit and an English saddle. I told her about everyone here being concerned with my ruining him for WP or other western sports. She told me that she has moved on from this horse and if she does ride him it will be at low level shows this summer. They love this horse too much to send him off to the first person to come around, but also don't want him anymore.

Essentially this horse is retired for them and they have moved on. I'm more than happy to give him a job and see what we can do together.

She has encouraged me to do what I want with him and both she and her dad, who I will be working with the most often since she lives 2 hours away, have told me that if he is not working out then I do not have to lease him.

clippityclop - that's exactly what I'm wondering. I guess this is a 'you don't know until you try' type of thing. I know enough about training any kind of animal to be able to tell when they're unhappy or if it's too much for me to handle.

And please, before you decide that wanting a direct reining option means I don't trust the horse educate yourself about what Dressage really is. Having contact on the mouth has nothing to do with trust issues and needing full control. It's all about a different style of riding. I'm perfectly fine with a huge loop in the reins or just laying them on the neck while going around a field or out on the trail. If the horse spooks or refuses to go forward having my hands on his mouth isn't going to help me stay on or persuade him to move.

Excuse me, but YOU were the one who said YOU had security issues with not having contact via 2 reins. Re read your own posts before you jump on me. I have NO need to educate myself, thanks, and, btw, I do know that dressage does NOT involve jumping, which you said you were thinking of doing. So, what is it you are going to do? Dressage would probably work better for a horse who is sensitive to the leg aids like this one sounds. More so than H/J.
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I want direct reining because I like the option. Since I started taking lessons my trainers have told me to not move my hands unless I just can't do it with my legs. I'm still weak with my legs but since flat work and dressage type training was the focus of all of my lessons so far it was pretty much drilled into my head that I look like a sloppy mess if I'm waving my hands around. So, I try really hard to keep my hands still, but there's a sort of security in it for me. I like feeling them chew on the bit and having that fluid movement.
^ Right there
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Most folks fall back on the basics of dressage when starting a new horse or beginning a new program with a horse with unknown training/history - I think that is a great idea.
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Here we go. Is it good basic riding or is it "dressage"? THere was a whole thread on this not too long ago. Even the true dressage folks here seemed to agree it was just good basics. Not really "dressage". Regardless, the OP stated she had intentions of jumping. NOT dressage. Period.

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Ok, so what I would do if I were you and chose to lease this horse is learn to ride western pleasure. What will it hurt you? Nothing. It will make you a better rider and at some point help him if he gets too far out of his comfort zone under english. I say this because with my mare, I rode differently for each discipline. Different bits and all. That way she was not confused on what we were doing. I also say that because this horse (I would guess) is probably a slow mover. English riders prefer a more forward moving horse, am I wrong? I ride a little stud out at the rescue ranch I volunteer at now. I've put a pretty good start on him, and it's more geared toward reining as that's his natural talent. Now, there are other volunteers at the ranch too who grew up english and that's all they know. I was sick for about 2 weeks and he was ridden by them. Now, he moves out a lot more then before and has a harder face. Not saying this is an english problem, but he's obviously a little confused by the different riding styles. No big deal to me, just means more work. The reason I say that is because you mentioned that the owner still plans on showing her horse this summer. IMHO, you should try to keep him rounded in both disciplines. It will make him a better horse, and you a better rider. So, go learn some western that way you can effectively communicate to him, keep him mentally versatile and the owner can still enjoy the hard work she's done on him when she wants to. Also, I am NOT bashing english!! Just saying that confusion can come when mixing the two too fast and in an unclear manor. I am NOT saying you will ruin this horse, but you need to learn from him before you can teach him.
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That's a very good post....☝☝☝☝☝☝☝ I thoroughly agree.....personally I'd freak out if someone tried to retrain my horse to have constant contact.....big no no with reiners........
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That's a very good post....☝☝☝☝☝☝☝ I thoroughly agree.....personally I'd freak out if someone tried to retrain my horse to have constant contact.....big no no with reiners........
Yeah, true. If they're trained ONLY for reining. But even a finished horse was started in a snaffle..usually. But they are trained WAY different. To be soft and give to pressure. Like I said, my mare was pretty competitive in open shows and HS Equestrian Team in reining. But I also did english. I guess more like faked it, didn't have a whole lot of contact and mostly just went off seat and leg cues. But I already said that :)
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I'm sorry if folks here think it's impossible to have fun and are too busy projecting their own issues onto my situation. This is NOT your horse, and if I had told you from the first phone call that I intended to use him as a trail horse and maybe do some low level equitation and you told me no ... I would have wished you a good time and said bye.

And you're excused. Your attitude is embarrassing and I have no idea why you're so hostile to a complete stranger over the internet.
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