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post #41 of 57 Old 11-06-2012, 09:22 PM
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Quite frankly, it's not YOUR horse either. It seems unclear on what your plans are for this horse. From your original post until now. Are you just looking for an all around English horse? You should be more specific on who your addressing. If your addressing me about projecting problems, then you've got it all wrong. I simply am trying to help and explain that yes, you can do it. But you are going to spend a lot of time retraining a perfectly trained horse. And in the process, he will more than likely become confused at one point or another. Maybe there's no hostility here, only frustration about your actual plans. You asked a question and you got opinions. They might not be what you wanted to hear, but none the less you asked.
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post #42 of 57 Old 11-07-2012, 06:19 AM
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I'm sorry if folks here think it's impossible to have fun and are too busy projecting their own issues onto my situation. This is NOT your horse, and if I had told you from the first phone call that I intended to use him as a trail horse and maybe do some low level equitation and you told me no ... I would have wished you a good time and said bye.

And you're excused. Your attitude is embarrassing and I have no idea why you're so hostile to a complete stranger over the internet.
Not sure what you find embarrassing? I am not. Not hostile, either. Retraining a horse of this age especially is really difficult particularly when done by someone who sees their reins as a "security", and doesn't really know what it is they want to concentrate on. To retrain effectively you really should choose a focus and stick with it. If you are just looking to trail ride-this horse will be great. If you want to really do english, no matter what the discipline, it will most likely require some very real focus and tons of patience. Good luck.

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I'm going to let this thread go. There are many people in this thread who are unable to give valid advice without getting overly emotional and threatening violence, having melt downs (EXCUSE ME?), and being generally hostile to someone because they're unable to hold a reasonable and mature discussion.

Come to think about it, this is the attitude that I've had experience with in person at Western shows and people wonder why I don't like Western sports. At least at English shows when someone gets snotty it's obvious that they're 15 years old and their mother is looking incredibly embarrassed over their daughters behavior.
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post #44 of 57 Old 11-07-2012, 11:28 AM
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I'm going to let this thread go. There are many people in this thread who are unable to give valid advice without getting overly emotional and threatening violence, having melt downs (EXCUSE ME?), and being generally hostile to someone because they're unable to hold a reasonable and mature discussion.

Come to think about it, this is the attitude that I've had experience with in person at Western shows and people wonder why I don't like Western sports. At least at English shows when someone gets snotty it's obvious that they're 15 years old and their mother is looking incredibly embarrassed over their daughters behavior.
Wow, now there is a snobby attitude if you ask me!! Calling the kettle black.

Anyway, any well trained western horse can also do hunt seat. US snobby western people DO like a versatile horse...it's not ALL about going slow all the time...they CAN move out when asked. My WP horse does hunt seat as well..he's got more speeds at each gait than an 18 wheeler has gears. Does he like someone taking up miles of contact and hanging on his mouth? Well, no....I don't know any horse that does. He's not fond of snaffle bits...would MUCH rather be in a curb bit.

I also don't think this horse has a spur stop. If you buried your spurs OR your lower legs real hard with an even squeeze....he WOULD stop on a dime. There is nothing wrong with a spur stop horse; I wouldn't have it any other way. The spur is just an "extension" of your leg for refinement, so what's the big deal. It also comes in handy if you have a beginner on the horse...a big squeeze is an emergency brake, because most beginners DO SQUEEZE (in an effort to stay on) should something happen.
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post #45 of 57 Old 11-07-2012, 01:56 PM
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I'm going to let this thread go. There are many people in this thread who are unable to give valid advice without getting overly emotional and threatening violence, having melt downs (EXCUSE ME?), and being generally hostile to someone because they're unable to hold a reasonable and mature discussion.

Come to think about it, this is the attitude that I've had experience with in person at Western shows and people wonder why I don't like Western sports. At least at English shows when someone gets snotty it's obvious that they're 15 years old and their mother is looking incredibly embarrassed over their daughters behavior.
Wow. Having melt downs? Threatening violence? You must be reading this in some other language. Makes me really laugh that you find western folks snobby. I feel the same way about english after spending 30+ years doing it.

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Wow. Having melt downs? Threatening violence? You must be reading this in some other language. Makes me really laugh that you find western folks snobby. I feel the same way about english after spending 30+ years doing it.

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It must be the voices in her head......lol! Western folks.....snobby???
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post #47 of 57 Old 11-07-2012, 03:32 PM
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^ I remember when I moved one of my WP horses to an H/J barn because it had an indoor and I needed one for the winter to get ready for spring AQHA show season. The woman who owned the barn looked at me when I put my western saddle in the tack room...."I can't believe I have a western saddle in my tack room!" And she was serious! All the other boarders would not give me the time of day, even though I introduced myself and attempted to make conversation. Funny thing was, I also rode this horse hunt seat because I did all-arounds with him. But the whole time I was there, I only used my western saddle and I could hear people whispering as I walked down the aisle with my spurs on, tacked my horse up western and went into the indoor. I would turn around REAL quick and they would immediately shut up and just look at me.
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I'm going to let this thread go. There are many people in this thread who are unable to give valid advice without getting overly emotional and threatening violence, having melt downs (EXCUSE ME?), and being generally hostile to someone because they're unable to hold a reasonable and mature discussion.
Thanks for the good laugh
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And...that's the reason I don't ride english. Oh well, to each her own I suppose. You asked for advice, and you got it. Sorry it wasn't what you wanted to hear. Good luck with this horse. Hope it all works out for you, the horse, and the owner as well.
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^ and I also ride hunt seat in addition to western because I believe in a well rounded and versatile rider but have no snobbery for either. But in my 51 years of riding and showing, I will say that I have found the hunter riders to have more snobbery because they think western is easy. I'm not putting them down...it's just because they have never ridden a good western horse to realize how hard it really is. I don't fault them, I just wish people would get out of their comfort zone and try ALL the seats before they cast judgement. How can someone say something is easy if they never tried it and tried it on a well trained horse??!!
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