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    08-24-2012, 11:04 AM
  #11
Trained
While a neck rope has been used in the past in Free Style reining and I am sure other similar events it is the end product of good training. It is not the training in and of itself. This is where people get into trouble. They look at people like Stacy and many other reiners and even some Dressage riders doing bridleless riding and then think hay I want to do that. Not thinking that the horse did not start out like that. It takes thousends of hours to get a horse to work like that consistently and well. To the point that you can really trust them.
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    08-24-2012, 11:08 AM
  #12
Yearling
Alli i've had quite a few O $#@! Moments when bareback, good thing I decide to stay in a familiar/close vicinity and get her calmed down quickly. The whole if he doesn't want to listen thing is just strange. I'm not much for that way of thinking.
     
    08-24-2012, 11:12 AM
  #13
Showing
No need to hide, EB . We're all of the same mind. The folks that wrote that blog and the folks that follow that way of thinking, IMHO, are suffering from Black Beauty Syndrome.
     
    08-24-2012, 11:24 AM
  #14
Yearling
LOL living in a fantasy world!! And no I don't wish to join. Some peoples ways of doing things scare me. I will stick with professional advice, and methods and what i've been taught and learned over the years.
     
    08-24-2012, 11:43 AM
  #15
Weanling
Wow this is utter idiocy. I doubt this person has ever taken a wild or unbroken horse and been able to break it perfectly using only a neck rope. And all the talk about "controlling pressure" isn't that what the neck rope does too, only on a more sensitive area, like the horse's throat? How does chocking your horse mean that you've got a good bond with it. I know plenty of people who have tried this and failed because the catch is the horse had to be trained to ride and listen to leg/verbal cues before you can ride like this (which was left out of the info section on the web site). Someone will get hurt doing this to a horse with no training.
Now this isn't to say I never hop on my boy with just a lead around his neck because I do, but it's and 'oh sh*t' handle and the only reason I can do this is because my horse is trained to listen to me, not because I pulled him from a field and thought 'he can make his own choices, after all he is a wild horse and he'll instantly trust me enough not to throw me when I hop on with nothing but a piece of twine around his neck'. Sorry, too sarcastic?
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    08-24-2012, 02:25 PM
  #16
Weanling
LOL, she sure spends a lot of time in a bridle and saddle, just like everybody else training their horse!

What a bunch of hog wash!
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    08-27-2012, 03:11 PM
  #17
Foal
Hey, everyone, just to clarify, when I wrote that article, which was 2 and 1/2 years ago, I was using the cordeo a lot from the ground. I wasn't not doing much riding with the neck rope nor doing all my training with it.

I learned a lot about being light from using it with my horses on the ground. You can take it however you want and accuse me of whatever you like, but I still learned much from using it safely!

Traditional riding/training always balks at something new, but it is up to each individual to decide what training style is best for them.

I don't do it because my horse "can do no wrong" or because I don't want to pull on the horse's mane. The article was almost entirely talking about using it on the ground, especially to start with.

I ride my horse in a bitless bridle almost all the time. I am doing dressage and my horse can do piaffe and passage. I don't tell anyone that they need to use a cordeo, but simply that they can and that they can LEARN from using it correctly.

Thanks,

Ivy
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    08-27-2012, 03:30 PM
  #18
Weanling
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Originally Posted by ivyschex    
Hey, everyone, just to clarify, when I wrote that article, which was 2 and 1/2 years ago, I was using the cordeo a lot from the ground. I wasn't not doing much riding with the neck rope nor doing all my training with it.

I learned a lot about being light from using it with my horses on the ground. You can take it however you want and accuse me of whatever you like, but I still learned much from using it safely!

Traditional riding/training always balks at something new, but it is up to each individual to decide what training style is best for them.

I don't do it because my horse "can do no wrong" or because I don't want to pull on the horse's mane. The article was almost entirely talking about using it on the ground, especially to start with.

I ride my horse in a bitless bridle almost all the time. I am doing dressage and my horse can do piaffe and passage. I don't tell anyone that they need to use a cordeo, but simply that they can and that they can LEARN from using it correctly.

Thanks,

Ivy
I agree that there is value in teaching a horse to be responsive and supple, and that a horse ideally should be willing to do whatever the rider asks of it. However, this is not always the case, and when I'm handling a 1,000lb+ animal, my decisions are not open to discussion. Allowing an animal that can easily kill you "decide whether or not to listen" is way too risky.
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    08-27-2012, 03:42 PM
  #19
Green Broke
I will say when I got an arab mare a couple years ago I rode her with just a rope around her neck and bareback simply because I was lazy haha however it was always in an enclosed area and she did not get to choose whether to listen or not. She did not have much mane to hold either lol.
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    08-28-2012, 02:45 AM
  #20
Trained
I ride my horse with a string around his neck frequently. I first did it with my first horse when I was an ignorant(& invincible, egotistical) teenager, to begin with because I always had baler's twine on me & often forgot the halter! In hindsight, in his case, I'm sure it was not always beautiful or gentle - baler's twine is thin & strong - and I did take him out like that on occasion. I didn't appreciate just how good a horse I had under me back then.... or how lucky I was that I didn't have any mishaps.

So these days, it is part of their training, that I teach them to yield to pressure in all sorts of ways, in which a neck string is just one more. The last horse I started under saddle I didn't actually use a halter on until he understood the basics with a neck rope. The last few horses I've taken on to 're-educate' I've found have done really well starting off with it before going back to conventional methods they've already learned to have a bad attitude about. Somebody said something about an 'oh crap! Strap' & this is sort of how I use it or reins, in that it's a backup if the horse doesn't listen to legs or seat, not used with any real pressure otherwise.

I think riding like this really helps you & the horse get 'fine tuned', but these days there is no way I'd ride a horse outside the paddock(or arena, yard to begin with...) without a halter - it's all very well to be idealistic & my horses do respond as well to this as conventional reins, but safety comes first & I don't consider riding in the open or public safe without halter & lead.
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