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    08-28-2007, 10:21 PM

I have found clydies have naturally really hard mouths, is this natural or is it rider related? We don't own clydies but I have to train one for a lady, its only young and she hasn't rode it before- only lunged it! I have only rode it once and geez she nearly pulled my arm sockets out! Help, if their are any clydie experts out there
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    08-29-2007, 12:51 AM
I'm pretty sure no breed of horse has a naturally hard mouthalthough some aren't as soft as others (its usually the handler/rider that makes them really hard mouthed).
Possibly it could be that becuase they are such a big strong horse that some people think they need to pull harder to control them and after a while they get used to it and their mouths become hard.
Just an idea but no breed in general that i've come across has a naturally hard mouth.
    08-29-2007, 03:25 PM
Yea, no horse naturally has a hard mouth. Riders with hard and rough hands make horse's mouths hard. Too much rein. If a horse jerks on the rider they are trying to tell you that you are using too much rein and to back off. Every horse can be sooooo light, it's almost like having no contact, yet the horse is still suple, soft, and giving.
    08-29-2007, 09:02 PM
Well this horse does. He has only been lunged never ever ridden (she breed him ) I am use to riding ASH and they - trust me have very soft mouths, we do slidding stops without touching their mouths-just voice! HEY, maybe I could teach it voice command?? It might work? I rode him in an Sweey Iron Warmblood size JUST fits But you can't pull him up without really applying pressure.... It bets me :roll:
    08-29-2007, 10:56 PM
Most horses don't start out soft they have no idea what you want from them, you have to train them with your legs, and with you being a rainier I know you know how to use your legs. Just take baby steps ask to turn to the right or left and as soon as he turns stop asking him to turn and let him just walk and in a week or two with riding him every day you can turn him all the way around.
    08-30-2007, 12:39 AM
Thanks Flying B I didn't think it was me, this horse seams to be so resistant to anything you ask of her... I have trained young horses before and have done for 4 years. If yopu have ever rode a clydie they are very heavy in the front, and defintally not the best to rein with. But the lady wants him for sporting, and fun days, quite basically everything like a all rounder. I have attached a picture of him that she gave me, sorry I haven't got any on my computor of me riding......
As you can see he is VERY well looked after-Spoilt to be quite honest!

    08-30-2007, 03:46 AM
Looks like a lovly horse!! And I think if you could teach the horse to respond to voice comands it may make things easier.
    08-30-2007, 10:31 AM
With a horse that big you don't heard the cows you pick them up and move them, he looks good I would not have one I would take two smaller horses first LOL. Most of the time draft horses pick up on voice commands pretty fast, I have seen a few people use voice commands on great big horses like that. He is just resistant because he just does not understand you get some that will run around and then you get some that just stand there, but if starting horses was easy then people would not need trainers LOL.
    09-03-2007, 05:52 PM
Hi what a beauty...

Well this is a lot of horse and much lower tempered than an arab.
So keep in ind, they kinda work like a diesel engin, they need some time to warm up ,but when they go they go and hardly unstoppable then.

Where in general other horses are faster soft they take their time to wrm up, does not mean they can't get soft in the hands and legs, but they really take soem time with it.

Plus they are not very soft nerved, wich is good for what they are doing but makes it harder to train them. They need be even tempered not as high strung as an (e.g)arab.
They have more mass to move wich makes it a little harder.
But that is ok,
Make sure you take your time to teach him and give him enough time to get his muscles soft, so he can gently follow your cues.

My cousin owns two Shire, and they are nice horses and sweet, but a lot to move....
But quik to learn, clydes are not that different...
    09-03-2007, 10:08 PM
Thanks, and does she know it!! (about being pretty) Yes I too believe that every horse is trainable, but she is very very resistable to anything I ask of her. After I finish riding her I feel like I have fell off a 10 foot cliff or sumthing cause I am sore all over!! Cause making her go forward is like pushing a 10 tonne bus up a hill-not going to happen!! Its not only her mouth but her all over, her sides, mouth ect. She is adorable on the ground but not when you are riding her!!

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