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post #1 of 7 Old 09-16-2010, 03:58 PM Thread Starter
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Ring Sour Horse

I appologize for the novel in advance. I have been riding a horse for a woman for about a three months now, she consciously did not bring him to a trainer and knows that I am an amateur. When I first started riding him he had been off for a year and was a bit hard to get to work, especially when he didn't want to do something or asked to do something new. I attributed it to the fact that he had been out of work and he is a 6 year old who has had inconsistant training, and the only place she has for me to ride is his turnout. Anyway, he still had minor fits when after a month or so when he thought he should be done, I would work him through it and his owner admitted that he scared her and she would just get off when he did it and she was glad I would work him through it. We have recently begun jumping him again and he is fin going to the jumps, in between courses he has rearing and bucking fits and on the flat still. Most recently I was cantering around the corner to the next fence and he planted his feet, stood up and spun, I made him continue on and keep going until he worked quietly. I have checked him for soreness, he is fine, I checked his teeth, and he just got his feet done. I am not sure if this will ever go away? Any advice on how to work with a ring sour horse? Anytime anything changes or he feels he should be done he throws a little tantrum and they are getting worse. Any helpful hints would be great, sorry for the novel!
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post #2 of 7 Old 09-16-2010, 07:38 PM
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The jumps and the flats, are all in his turnout? Or that is another pen entirely?

I watched a video of John Lyons working a barn sour horse, and it seemed that he rode the horse first where it was comofortable like in the home area, but then would turn the horse in a small circle away from the barn, pasture, whatever, and quickly bring him back, so the horse would get the concept you would see the barn again.

As time went on, he would graduate to a bigger and bigger circle, until he could ride the horse up the road. of course, it takes time, maybe even months. Maybe something like that could help? :) I have never had one before, so I can't say honestly for sure.

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She doesn't have a lot of property so her ring, where I flat and jump him is his turnout, which I believe is part of the problem. I've tried working in the area he doesn't want to work in until he settles in then increase the circle, and bring him back, seems similar to what you described. Thanks for the help!
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post #4 of 7 Old 09-17-2010, 10:30 AM
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It sounds like you're doing good by pushing him through his tantrums. Does he know a cue to relax? I teach all mine that circles are relaxing. When one gets nervous, we start loping big circles as fast as they want to. As they settle and slow down, the circles get smaller. They break to the trot, then the walk. When the issue is the horse getting upset, we do the circle drill. It helps them relax, and they know exactly what I want from them and how to give it to me. If a horse is acting like a butt when we're doing circles, I know he's just being a butt.

How often do you ride, and how intense are your sessions?

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post #5 of 7 Old 09-18-2010, 09:16 AM Thread Starter
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I usually circle him at the trot when he is acting up, and that can usually get him to soften up and relax, most of the time he's just decided he's done and going in. His owner did admit she's afraid of him and gets off when he does that. I was riding him around 3-4 days a week at about 30-45 min depending on what we were doing. Now that university started up again I can only ride him once a week, there is another girl that has been riding hm with me so he isn't just sitting. Whenever he acts up really bad I check if he is sore somewhere right away or something hurts so I don't push through that, and if nothing comes up then he works through his tantrum.
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post #6 of 7 Old 09-21-2010, 10:28 AM
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Sorry if this sounds obvious or rude towards the other rider, but does she also ride him through his fits? I'm not saying that this horse only needs one person but he does need consistence. He's already learned that sometimes, he gets out of working when he acts like a pain. Even if the other rider doesn't use the same methods you are, he could be getting very confused. It sounds to me that your using correct methods and that he does responds somewhat to you, but he can't be expected to ride one way under one rider and another under the next. Maybe collaborate or watch her ride. I don't know how open she'd be to the concept but if he is responding to you, she should adapt to your riding techniques so he has a consistent training session every time.
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I have talked to the owner about maybe having the other rider take a step back, especially since the owner has begun to ride him w/t again, and I brought up that three riders with three riding styles is confusing for a green horse. The other girl is a western rider wth no formal lessons, I have watched her ride and tried to help and I just get attitude that she's doing what I'm suggesting. I did have a very good ride on him the other day, he tried acting up once and used a dressage whip behind my leg to send him forward a little and he didn't question me after that. I may just have to talk with the owner on what is best for him. Thans for all the advice I have gotten!
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