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        03-02-2008, 03:26 PM
      #11
    Deb
    Foal
    Are none of you concerned about the allegations of animal abuse in Australian rodeos?
         
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        03-03-2008, 08:46 PM
      #12
    Foal
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Deb
    Are none of you concerned about the allegations of animal abuse in Australian rodeos?
    as it has been said before there is animal cruelty in all sports that have animals in it, and not all rodeos r cruel there r just sum individuals in it that r
         
        03-03-2008, 09:04 PM
      #13
    Deb
    Foal
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by crip1984
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Deb
    Are none of you concerned about the allegations of animal abuse in Australian rodeos?
    as it has been said before there is animal cruelty in all sports that have animals in it, and not all rodeos r cruel there r just sum individuals in it that r


    Do a search on rodeo abuse, both in Australia and in America. Watch the videos of calves getting their necks and backs broken as some horse drags them across the ground by their throats, bulls with broken legs hanging, steers being dragged out because they are dying and horses being shocked, slapped and kicked and all the while the rodeo officials are pretending they don't see. Watch them, and then decide if you want to support that kind of abuse because your dollars make you an accomplice to brutality if you go.
         
        03-03-2008, 09:51 PM
      #14
    Weanling
    The difference between rodeo and other sports is that ALL equestrian events are cruel IF done wrong; rodeo manages to be cruel even when conducted exactly by the rulebook.
         
        03-04-2008, 01:49 AM
      #15
    Weanling
    Ok, this subject has been beaten to pieces in another thread guys so can we leave it. . . :)
         
        03-04-2008, 08:35 AM
      #16
    Trained
    ^^^ I agree!! Rodeos are no more cruel than horse racing or racking (TWH's). While I don't condone animal abuse in any form there is no need to beat a dead horse (pardon the pun but its the only analogy I can think of). Like people go to the races, people go to the rodeos. Its only the extremists that make issues. If we could outlaw all horse related activities that would eliminate that side of abuse but hey, do the wild horses pulled from the only homes they have ever known have it any easier????? If we eliminate one kind of abuse will we eliminate all???? Really!! It can't be done and the more we jump up and down about animal abuse the more we are are bashing our heads against a brick wall. I mean many people would argue that riding horses and keeping them in captivity is cruel but tell me, is anyone here going to give up their horses because of it??? I don't think so. Is anyone going to start riding their horses without bridles and saddles etc to eliminate any kind of abuse that may happen by tightening the girth???? No! So why single out any discipline with the thoughts of calling it cruel??

    To the original poster, most country towns hold rodeos a few times a year not to mention most country towns have rodeos at shows/fairs etc its more a matter of finding out where you are going and then looking up such details for the area.
         
        03-04-2008, 11:04 AM
      #17
    Deb
    Foal
    [quote="jazzyrider"]^^^ I agree!! Rodeos are no more cruel than horse racing or racking (TWH's). While I don't condone animal abuse in any form there is no need to beat a dead horse (pardon the pun but its the only analogy I can think of). Like people go to the races, people go to the rodeos. Its only the extremists that make issues. If we could outlaw all horse related activities that would eliminate that side of abuse but hey, do the wild horses pulled from the only homes they have ever known have it any easier????? If we eliminate one kind of abuse will we eliminate all???? Really!! It can't be done and the more we jump up and down about animal abuse the more we are are bashing our heads against a brick wall. I mean many people would argue that riding horses and keeping them in captivity is cruel but tell me, is anyone here going to give up their horses because of it??? I don't think so. Is anyone going to start riding their horses without bridles and saddles etc to eliminate any kind of abuse that may happen by tightening the girth???? No! So why single out any discipline with the thoughts of calling it cruel??

    Until cruel and abusive practises directed at animals are eliminated, no one should quit discussing it. On forums like this, there are always newcomers taking a look, and they often won't bother with old posts. In that case how will they become aware of the mood of the horse/animal world or changes that are occurring.

    You are right, rodeos, TWH "racking", horse races, all are equally cruel and they all should be eliminated. Your reference to extremists, while likely intended as an insult, is a badge that I wear with pride because without extremists, things like slavery in America would not have been eliminated, the world would not be aware of the dangers to the environment that our modern lives encourage, the melting of the polar ice cap wouldn't be an issue. Everyone should be an extremist when it comes to eliminating things that hurt children, animals, other peoples, the world.

    Your reference to riding our horses is kind of silly because I am assuming that you are kind to your horse and your dogs. You do not kick them when they are down, you do not grab them by the ears and slam their heads against walls. You do not use hot-shots to give them electrical shocks and if I were to come onto your property and do any of those things to any of your pets, you would have me arrested or at the very least beat the crap out of me. You would never ride your horse in a situation where there was a 50/50 possibility of breaking a leg and if your horse was horribly frightened, you wouldn't jump on even if it was possible that in his frenzied state, he could crash into a wall and injure himself. As a rider, you make every effort to keep your horses safe. Our riding is so far different from rodeos that to mention them in the same breath is unsupportable. Why then are rodeo animals so different? Double standards like that stink of "mine is off limits but anybody elses is fair game".

    You guys don't like people like me and Kiyani bringing this up because you want to go and sit and watch the abuse without having to feel guilty about it. If it is brought up today, and no one mentions it again for years (which is what you folks seem to prefer) than time will pass and the images brought up will become a hazy memory and pretty soon you don't have to think of it at all. And then you can go and eat your popcorn while you watch horses in a panic charge out of the shutes, and little calves snap at the end of a rope, and watch the pretty half time shows with horses that are loved and cared for and the riders in the pretty outfits, glossing over the brutality that you are all celebrating.


         
        03-04-2008, 06:38 PM
      #18
    Trained
    EDITED until I wake up properly and say things better than I just did :) stay tuned lol
         
        03-04-2008, 11:12 PM
      #19
    Trained
    [quote="Deb"]
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by jazzyrider
    ^^^ I agree!! Rodeos are no more cruel than horse racing or racking (TWH's). While I don't condone animal abuse in any form there is no need to beat a dead horse (pardon the pun but its the only analogy I can think of). Like people go to the races, people go to the rodeos. Its only the extremists that make issues. If we could outlaw all horse related activities that would eliminate that side of abuse but hey, do the wild horses pulled from the only homes they have ever known have it any easier????? If we eliminate one kind of abuse will we eliminate all???? Really!! It can't be done and the more we jump up and down about animal abuse the more we are are bashing our heads against a brick wall. I mean many people would argue that riding horses and keeping them in captivity is cruel but tell me, is anyone here going to give up their horses because of it??? I don't think so. Is anyone going to start riding their horses without bridles and saddles etc to eliminate any kind of abuse that may happen by tightening the girth???? No! So why single out any discipline with the thoughts of calling it cruel??

    Until cruel and abusive practises directed at animals are eliminated, no one should quit discussing it. On forums like this, there are always newcomers taking a look, and they often won't bother with old posts. In that case how will they become aware of the mood of the horse/animal world or changes that are occurring.

    You are right, rodeos, TWH "racking", horse races, all are equally cruel and they all should be eliminated. Your reference to extremists, while likely intended as an insult, is a badge that I wear with pride because without extremists, things like slavery in America would not have been eliminated, the world would not be aware of the dangers to the environment that our modern lives encourage, the melting of the polar ice cap wouldn't be an issue. Everyone should be an extremist when it comes to eliminating things that hurt children, animals, other peoples, the world.

    Your reference to riding our horses is kind of silly because I am assuming that you are kind to your horse and your dogs. You do not kick them when they are down, you do not grab them by the ears and slam their heads against walls. You do not use hot-shots to give them electrical shocks and if I were to come onto your property and do any of those things to any of your pets, you would have me arrested or at the very least beat the crap out of me. You would never ride your horse in a situation where there was a 50/50 possibility of breaking a leg and if your horse was horribly frightened, you wouldn't jump on even if it was possible that in his frenzied state, he could crash into a wall and injure himself. As a rider, you make every effort to keep your horses safe. Our riding is so far different from rodeos that to mention them in the same breath is unsupportable. Why then are rodeo animals so different? Double standards like that stink of "mine is off limits but anybody elses is fair game".

    You guys don't like people like me and Kiyani bringing this up because you want to go and sit and watch the abuse without having to feel guilty about it. If it is brought up today, and no one mentions it again for years (which is what you folks seem to prefer) than time will pass and the images brought up will become a hazy memory and pretty soon you don't have to think of it at all. And then you can go and eat your popcorn while you watch horses in a panic charge out of the shutes, and little calves snap at the end of a rope, and watch the pretty half time shows with horses that are loved and cared for and the riders in the pretty outfits, glossing over the brutality that you are all celebrating.


    ok firstly I do agree that it is an issue that should be talked about etc etc etc but, we don't need to keep bringing it up in here. Its a topic that will always end up in a heated argument with rude alerts left right and centre and eventually the thread goes downhill so far that it gets locked and then no one is happy.

    Now my so called intended insult was not intended as that nor was it aimed directly at you. And yes extremism can get good results but I for one know its an uphill battle and get quite tired of people whinging about things but do they go out personally and form a movement on these things?? Maybe you do but I don't know you so im in no position to judge the same as you are in no position to judge me based on the fact that I don't think a heated argument about the matter is going to change anything.

    You think my riding reference is silly???? Its an illustration. Think about it...we out a saddle on their back which in many cases can hurt the horse if not done properly, we put a huge piece of metal in their mouth that pinches and digs, we put side reins, martingales and other constricting items on our horses and think we are better than the next discipline??? How?? Thinking that one of us is better than the other is a little egotistical and shows how blind people can be once they get a bee in their bonnet.

    I no I certainy don't so to my horses what you are mentioning there and yes, if you were to try and mess with my horses or my dogs I would have you arrested after I beat the living daylights out of you for hurting on of my animals. Having said that, I would probably do the same thing whether they were my horses or not because contrary to what you think I do give a hoot about all horses I just understand that I can't do much about a discipline steeped in tradition and I don't feel that running around carrying on about it is going to do any good.

    Mine off limits and everyones else fair game??? Fair go!! Id like to see where I indicated I felt this way. And of course the way we ride horses is much different than how they are dealt with in rodeos but really, none of it is natural therefore could be construed as cruel no matter what we do with them

    And I have taken huuuge offence to the idea that I would sit back and watch the abuse without feeling guilty. I personally don't go to either rodeos or the races because of how I feel about them but hey, who in the world am I to stop anyone else from doing it??? Even more offence taken to the thought that I would also celebrate this kind of behaviour. Just because I don't see the need to bring the thread down with politics does not mean I condone animal cruelty. It just means this is a thread about where rodeos are and you knew when clicking on the link that it was being asked about australia so how could you help with that? It seems you came in and hijacked the thread intentionally which isnt cool.

    Please, no more discussion about the politics of rodeos. Any answers pertaining to the original question are fine but I don't think the thread needs to be bought down anymore
         
        03-05-2008, 02:17 AM
      #20
    Weanling
    I agree with you jazzy. I think rodeos CAN be cruel but it isn't fair to say we will watch animals being cruelly treated without feeling guilty and upset!

    However, I also think we should leave this subject alone for now because people get offensive without actually meaning to sometimes. That is not to say we are trying to avoid the issue of animal cruelty. This subject has been and will be debated so much it is impossible to avoid it!

    Also this is not the place to debate animal cruelty. There is an animal cruelty section if you want to bring the rodeo subject up again there to debate.

    Crip1984 asked an innocent question about where rodeos were. Crip is probably well aware of the issues surrounding rodeos but it is THEIR choice not ours!
         

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