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        03-04-2010, 03:02 PM
      #11
    Trained
    A lady at my barn broke her leg when the horse got down to roll when she was riding.... not ever an ok behavior
         
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        03-04-2010, 04:22 PM
      #12
    Yearling
    Ok, here's my opinion. Have any of you ever heard that when someone/something does something bad, than they get "arrested" for it?? Well, that's what I did. I let her roll, she got up than after she did that bad thing, she got arrested for it. It's as simple as that. She has not rolled on me at all since then. No, I'm not setting her up for failure at all. There are plenty of different ways to train/break a horse of a bad habit and this is my way of doing it. It hasn't failed me yet and it wont. I probably shouldn't put this on here. This is one of the worst websites for horses to get good information from. All I every hear, eevn on other posts is people being totally rediculous.
         
        03-04-2010, 04:46 PM
      #13
    Showing
    You do a foolish stunt and you expect roses and accolades? Your horse got arrested? You need to grow up child and learn about horses and behavior. If you feel that all you get on this forum is ridicule, then you should consider what it is that you are doing. What you got was solid advise. You are dealing with a horse, not a hamster.

    If you feel that you would get different advise after posting what you did, then that is a forum that I would avoid like the plague.
         
        03-04-2010, 04:48 PM
      #14
    Started
    People and horses are two different creatures, and you have to remember that. With a person, arresting them after the fact, no matter how after that may be, the person remembers exactly what they did wrong, and why they are being punished, but a horse thinks differently. A horse thinks in the moment. They don't remember why they are being punished now for something they did 2 minutes ago. As far as they know they are being punished because you walked in the stall, or you took the bridle off, or whatever the case may be. Your way may not have failed you yet, and maybe it never will, but the best way to correct a horse and get the point across, is to stop them WHILE they are doing the undesired action. As soon as she starts to roll, make her get up and run around, don't wait for her to get up on her own, when a horse bites, correct as soon as they start to grab your shirt or whatever, not after they have already bitten you. I could give more examples, but I think that gets the point across.
         
        03-04-2010, 05:09 PM
      #15
    Yearling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by PechosGoldenChance    
    Ok, here's my opinion. Have any of you ever heard that when someone/something does something bad, than they get "arrested" for it?? Well, that's what I did. I let her roll, she got up than after she did that bad thing, she got arrested for it. It's as simple as that. She has not rolled on me at all since then. No, I'm not setting her up for failure at all. There are plenty of different ways to train/break a horse of a bad habit and this is my way of doing it. It hasn't failed me yet and it wont. I probably shouldn't put this on here. This is one of the worst websites for horses to get good information from. All I every hear, eevn on other posts is people being totally rediculous.

    If you stopped the person from doing bad before they even did it or when they showed signs of doing bad, then the whole problem can be solved with it even manifesting.

    What most people here are telling you is exactly that. Stop the behavior before it happens (when possible).

    I'm glad that what you did seemed to work, but if you prevent, you don't have to correct.

    Take for example a horse that turns around to bite you while you're grooming it. The horse probably started this bad behavior by turning into the person, nudging them, and it progressed into biting. Do I want to prevent the biting from ever happening by correcting the turning in, or do I wait for the horse to actually bite me before I correct it?
    That's just the way I see it.

    (I find it funny that you joined, by choice, a forum that is "the worst")
         
        03-04-2010, 05:11 PM
      #16
    Green Broke
    My cousins horse rolled when me n him were riding them into a pond to cool them off, hahaha it was the funniest thing I've ever seen in my life, my cousin sat on the hroses side as sam (the hrose) rolled onto his other side in the water XD
    Personally, I think you handled it fine, now you know what it feels like when she's about to roll, and nextime? You can just give her a nudge with your legs to keep her going. And maybe it was a once in a million years kinda thing... if it were me I wouldnt be freakin out about the horses bad habits or anything, I would be screaming "YOU BLOODY HORSE! YOUR GOING TO BREAK MY SADDLE' tehehe but that's jsut me
         
        03-04-2010, 05:26 PM
      #17
    Weanling
    Is it wrong that the first thought in my mind was "did the saddle survive?" I don't know about the behavior, but I do know I'd be shooting flames over an expensive piece of equipment being ruined.


    this coming from a mom who is trying to teach her daughter the value of the saddle and bridle she got as a Christmas present. I think I've done a darn good job on that on...
         
        03-04-2010, 05:29 PM
      #18
    Green Broke
    ^haha that's what goes through my mind, yesturday, my horse took off on me and I decided not to bail because the bridle would get ruined haha and if any horse dared to ven scratch my precious saddle......... haha
         
        03-04-2010, 06:36 PM
      #19
    Yearling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Fowl Play    
    Is it wrong that the first thought in my mind was "did the saddle survive?" I don't know about the behavior, but I do know I'd be shooting flames over an expensive piece of equipment being ruined.


    this coming from a mom who is trying to teach her daughter the value of the saddle and bridle she got as a Christmas present. I think I've done a darn good job on that on...
    I hope not because that is the first thing I thought too. Anyway...I agree with everyone else, hope you get it all sorted.
         
        03-04-2010, 07:56 PM
      #20
    Yearling
    Well, I should say that I was bareback. So, no saddle, thank god, or else I'm sure it would have gotten messed up...shes a big girl. This isn't the first time I've had a horse try to roll on me, so basically what I was saying in my first post when I said that "it wasn't a big deal", I meant that it's not anything new to me. My little story on the arresting deal, was taught to me by a previous instructor when I first started to get into horses a looonngg time ago. So, when Iridehorses, says that I need to grow up, that means that my 60-something yr old instructor needs to grow up too? Also, I've heard that arresting situation before. What I did when I made her run around...I immediately got off, and as soon as she got up, I was after her like flies on garbage! Granted, I probably should have pulled her up immediately, yet I do not know the last time they were out, I'm sure it was a loonng time ago. They do not stay at my house, and techinically, they are my aunts horses. I basically adopted the one I'm talking about now, because no one wants to ride her because she's got a major 'go' button, which I've calmed her down with that, and I also sacked her out and she does amazing with unfamiliar objects now. I see all others views on how I should/should have taken care of things, but every horse is different and this method that I have works out, and has worked out for all the other horses I've worked with.

    I don't necessarily think the forum is the "worst", yet the people on here just seem soooo **** judgemental, it can be extremely rediculous at times. All I'm looking for is advice on WHY she might have done this, not what I should do...ya know??? And those comments some leave when they say, "I'm biting my tongue right now"...that's not helping a bit dude! All I asked for was WHY, WHY, WHY...I don't have time for these childish comments SOME of the people on here leave/have left. That's all I'm trying to say.
         

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