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Old 10-23-2009, 10:28 PM   #21
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Didnt think i should start a new thread for this, since it relates.


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Old 10-25-2009, 06:56 AM   #22
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It's things like this that make me wonder if soem judges just hate horses. I can see no beauty in the way that horse is framed up. The sad thing is that to do dressage manuevers in that position must take a superbly athletic horse. That's why I like the idea behind three day eventing in the english world and reined cowhorse in the western world. They have to be able to use manuevers from dressage and reining in a "real world" situation.
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Me and my friend wrote a letter to the company or whatever you call it that hosts all the dressage shows, etc and complained. I'm sure that nothing can be done with just two emails, but at least they know that there are some people that are against that type of treatment.

It sickens me to see a horse have to put up with that sort of treatment. No animal deserves that.
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Old 10-25-2009, 08:50 AM   #24
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It's common here.
I got accused of using Rollkur on Haruko. Her headset and body makes it look like Rollkur when infact she's completely level.
Same with Volcan. His muscles are so massive in his neck due to half his manhood remaining it's hard to tell.
Friesiens(sp?) look like it too. You look at any Dressage stallion of the breed and it'll look like Rollkur.

I loath most disciplines of this sport. The top riders have sucked the fun out of it for kids age 13+ when they actually know the pretty pony isn't happy.
Still I can't help but think that nutter Nevzorov would kick their ass if he saw them lol.

Meh, I'll stick to my pacing pony and confused cob.
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Old 10-25-2009, 09:49 AM   #25
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No, AM, I'm sorry, but you can DEFINITELY tell Rollkur from a normal headset.
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Old 10-25-2009, 09:51 AM   #26
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On a WB.
Or a TB.
Not on a Freisian.
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Old 10-25-2009, 10:33 AM   #27
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Also to prove my point.

He's not Rollkur.
That's a normal Friesian head carriage in Dressage.
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Old 10-25-2009, 11:11 AM   #28
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That Ninja Horse - Blue Tongue World Cup

For once I am lost for words except perhaps one : "Horrendous".
I could not watch it thru.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Aoi Miku View Post
Also to prove my point.
YouTube - Friesian stallion Jasper 366 Dressage

He's not Rollkur.
That's a normal Friesian head carriage in Dressage.
(note: I only watched the first little bit) No, he is not in Rollkur, but (to me) it is quite obvious. His crest isn't rolled over, and his chin isn't touching the lower part of the chest.
There is a BIG difference between baroque horses' headcarriage and rollkur, it really isn't terribly hard to see. So in saying that your horse appears to be in rollkur when he's supposed to just be in frame, I wonder if he's not overflexing.
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Old 10-25-2009, 11:46 AM   #30
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She was never overbent if she was I'd be on the floor so fast because she wouldnt' take it. She had the normal head carriage of a Section C. The people who complained to me that she was Rollkur had skinny show ponies who's collection was fake and hollow. They probably just don't know what normal level head carriage is.

I have no idea what a baroque horse is.
But a lot of people would think he's Rollkur. I don't see how if they know anything about the breed.
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