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  • Horse hyper flexion of fetlocks should i worry
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    11-06-2008, 10:08 PM
  #11
Foal
Yeah, I think it's ridiculous. Supposedly they already have people watching warm up rings in Germany due to a ban of it there at competitions. Feel free to correct me though if I'm wrong.

Asking the horse to preform such an unnatural movement is obsurd. The horse is physically incapable of using it's hinds correctly while doing rollkur, and it is not a 'correct' form of riding, therefore there is no correct/incorrect way to do it, the whole idea of it, is incorrect.

Research has proven, that the way the horse curls under, actually does not stretch any of the muscles at all, but just pulls the ligaments. The horses have to use their under neck muscle to pull their nose in and defy gravity
     
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    11-07-2008, 04:16 PM
  #12
Trained
I disagree with it.
But its the same thing that happens when it comes to any other discipline. If the judges place it, people will do it.
     
    11-07-2008, 07:58 PM
  #13
Foal
Judges only reward what they see in the show ring. They do not reward based on the method trainers are using on the horses. If the horses are winning, trainers will continue using the method because they think the method helps them to win.
     
    11-07-2008, 09:04 PM
  #14
Zab
Yearling
The issue really is that what's shown in the ring isn't god either.
You often see how the frame doesn't follow the simplest rules (poll as highest point as example - even with the nose on the verticasl, the horse is destroyed by the training methods and breaks of at the third vertebrae), the horse doesn't carry with the hindlegs (just look what fetlock has the most weight on it if you freeze the picture; back or front?), the back should go ''uphill'', but is either straight or downhill.. even tho todays horses are bred ''upphill''! (crop lower than withers)
Etc etc etc.. that's the obvious things..
Then the aids are far from subtle, despite spurs and harsh bits, flying changes can often be seen done by pushing the horse off balance with a yerk in the rein rather than aiding it to change in balance with the hindquarter, and ''balance'' and ''harmony'' is nowhere to be seen.

Are the riders skilled? Yes absolutely. It takes some kind of skill to make such a tensed animal move at all.
Do thy ride the horses in a constructive way and work to get the horse sound and carrying? No.
     
    11-08-2008, 01:39 AM
  #15
Showing
     
    11-08-2008, 04:22 AM
  #16
Foal
I've been reading the book My Horses, My Teachers by Alois Podhajsky, and the pictures in the book show the most beautifully engaged, collected horses. ALL of them are flexed properly at the poll, with their heads directly on or a little bit in front of the vertical.
Not to be all nostalgic, but they did it right back then! The emphasis was on slow careful training, building the horses strength and working them with impulsion. There is so much emphasis now on a horse's headset instead of working the horse back to front. That's why ridiculous methods like Rollkur have appeared.
I cannot imagine how uncomfortable it must be for the poor horses.
     

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